If a guy like Jimrex Jaca can hurt Marquez, Valero can surely do a lot better..

Fine..i'll take your advice

actually, i'm having fun right now and i'm a JMM fan too

it's not just right to downplay someone's achievement just to show that the other fighter is greater than the other..they are both great, enough said

 

Yeah ABC logic always works!atsch

 

DUDE,

Before you cry like a river better consult with JMM's #1 fan aka DIVAC if he thinks JMM's resume is better than PAC! :hi:

No matter how you try to put down PAC and down grade his achievements, PAC achievement is better than JMM. I suggest you better look on the actual achievements of JMM first before you put down the achievement of PAC. :nut

You know what's JMM GREATEST ACHIEVEMENT? Do you think the win over JUAN Diaz put JMM in the limelight? or JMM's win over the ULTRA prime 37/38 yr old CASA?!

WHO WANT TO KNOW WHERE JMM GOT INTO THE LIMELIGHT?!?

Dude, it was his fight with PAC that put him in the Limelight!

You are the one living in fairytale my friend!

YOU REALLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT ACTUAL ACHIEVEMENTS OF PAC and JMM?! Do you have a shovel? ARE YOU READY TO DIG YOUR OWN GRAVE AND COMPARE THIER ACHIEVEMENTS?!:bbb:hi:

 

marquez would batter valero

 

I would like to see that fight, but honestly I didn't see Valero enough to be sure how it can ends

 

Isn't ABC logic the whole point of this thread?

 

It certainly is.

 

Couldn't have said it better.

Marquez would wipe the floor with Valero. All this Valero hype is identical to the Margarito hype, all praises to him after he feasts on tomato cans. Beating tomato cans doesn't promote him as a beast, you either wake up already or continue being an idiot.

Wake me up when he's scheduled to fight someone worth mentioning, otherwise keep being impressed with him knocking out scrubs.

 

the title says yes!

 

For once, you talk with some logic Finito. :yep:good

 

At this point I would have to go with Valero.

 

Any fighter with power poses a danger to Marquez, mainly because his chin is not grade A. However, he has been dropped before and always came back to win or made it close. He has very good recovering abilities. Valero, although he has the power to defeat Marquez, does not have the skills to do it.

I could see Marquez weather the storm early, possibly get hurt or even knock down in the process, but then figure Valero out and win by UD or ko.

 

Hurting Marquez and knocking him down is one thing. Finishing him off an winning the fight is another.

 

If he goes down vs Valero he won't be getting up. Unless there's like 10 seconds left in the round he'll get finished off even if he does manage to get up. Bottomline is if JMM is knocked down Valero will finish him because he's by far the biggest puncher JMM will have ever faced. JMM is getting hit more than ever at 135 and it's not like his reflexes are improving with age. JMM also has a tendency to exchange wildly when hurt which I doubt will serve him against power like Valero's.

 

I am not a JMM, at all. But with that being said, he has been in with some bangers guys like Pacman, Barrera, Juarez, Casamayor. Those guys have high knockout ratios over good to great competition, against those guys Marquez has been down 5 times (4 times against Pacquiao and the 1 infamous no call against Barrera) but the thing is he keeps getting up.