If a Prime Tyson fought Foreman in Zaire instead of Ali

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  1. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    styles make fights and Tyson would get KO'd in this one, couldn't box backwards, squared up, led with hooks and would be walking into a minefield, foreman was the biggest hitting heavyeight of all time with a very good beard
     
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  2. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    The Foreman that fought in Zaire most certainly wasn't. He crumbled in a fight he could've won had he fought smart, couldn't adjust in a fight shortly after vs Young, and walked away at 28. He had a much better head on his shoulders when he came back.
     
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  3. MacManJr.

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    Foreman KO
     
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  4. elTerrible

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    I agree, yeah Tyson had a good defense and was fast but these people act like Tyson was never hit, he was hit and he would get hit coming forward at foreman.

    Ali won but Ali pulled out all the stops and came up with an excellent plan strategy wise and dont forget fought dirty with lots of holding and pulling down on foremans neck to tire him out. Ali also got the crowd on his side and the ref didnt give Ali any trouble for his breaking of the rules.

    Ali was slipping shots but he was also taking a lot of punishment and shots to the body. I dont think that Tyson was as durable or had as much heart as Ali. I also dont think Tyson would have a masterful gameplan like Ali did. I see Tyson comeing forward and dropping his hands to throw and getting caught with those uppercuts and hooks that foreman threw from his waist as you were talking about.
     
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  5. Muchmoore

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    Frazier's movement is much more predictable than Tyson's and different in several key aspects. Frazier used head movement to get in his opponents chest to unleash his hooks. Tyson used his head movement to get into midrange and wasn't an inside fighter. Thus, Tyson wouldn't have to get past the uppercut like Frazier did in order to be effective. Also, Fraziers head movement looked pretty and is effective against movers like Ali, but against punchers it was trouble because he was coming straight in. Tyson by comparison was tagged more by jabs and straight punches.

    Tyson was never, EVER put down by a single shot to the head. His huge neck worked as a shock absorber and he was rarely ever hit clean, unlike Smokin Joe. Frazier was dropped twice by Bonavena as well as the embarassing Foreman KO losses. By comparison to knock down Tyson you had to hit him with at least 8 rounds of punishment before he went down, even against Lewis when way past his best he stood up to shots that would of crippled Frazier.

    The stamina issue is irrelevent because Tyson-Foreman isn't going to last long, and even if it does, Foremans stamina was worse than Tyson's. Frazier having more heart than Tyson isn't relevant either because when Joe fought Foreman, he was too physically overwhelmed for any heart edge to make a difference unlike Tyson.
     
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  6. TheGreat

    TheGreat Boxing Junkie banned

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    So Foreman isn't going to drop his hands and get hit but tyson is, Foreman could win this BUT he could also get KTFO, it's his fight with Lyle showed just how much he leaves himself open someone Like Tyson could really make him pay for his mistakes, As for Ali, Foreman fought a past prime Ali who is NOT nearly the puncher Tyson is, he would catch alot alot of heavy blows from Tyson.
     
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  7. Muchmoore

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    Foreman's chin in his first career was nothing to write home about. Ali isn't a big puncher and he knocked Foreman out in the 8th round. It wasn't the 13th round, it wasn't the 14th round, it was the 8th round. Not exactly deep water and stamina had nothing to do with Foreman falling all over the ring after a few quick shots from Ali after fighting the dumbest fight any ATG HW has ever fought.

    He didn't just fall over from pure exhaustion like people seem to say, he was hit by a few clean shots and went down hard :lol: You also have the Ron Lyle fight, in which Lyle had Foreman down and very possibly would of knocked him out had he not been saved by the bell. And Lyle NEVER, and I'll repeat it NEVER, knocked down another durable world class HW in his entire career. Look it up yourself.
     
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  8. Goose

    Goose Russian oligarch Full Member

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  9. Muchmoore

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    Foreman's defense consists of extending his arms and benching the guy off :lol:

    Foreman against shorter swarmers is lethal, but against very good punchers or skilled technicians he is in deep trouble.
     
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  10. TheGreat

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    I don't think many guys would beat him but he would certinly lose to more than most believe, IMO he was lucky he retired when he did, Holmes would've given him a boxing lesson.
     
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