IF a S-HW division did exist...

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  1. thistle1

    thistle1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    how many do we have?

    considering the giants (for the most part), have only been with us 25 - 30 years.

    Fighters OVER 6' 3" and 225 lbs.

    IF we've got 50 Champions & Contenders, and at least another 100 or so Journeyman & Tomato Cans, then we have a Division!
     
    thistle1, Dec 21, 2011
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  2. dmille

    dmille We knew, about Tszyu, before you. Full Member

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    Over 6'3? Is it a height division?
     
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  3. thistle1

    thistle1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    NO it's SUPER - HW, and most fighters smaller than 6' 3 were also under 225 lbs...

    just looking to see how many actual proper Bigmen are/were in that stats to determine a S-HW division... seperating the giants from typical HWs.
     
    thistle1, Dec 21, 2011
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  4. Pachilles

    Pachilles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes, yes, we know you've hated boxing since colour TV and dont watch it anymore, thistle1. No need to sugarcoat where you're heading with this
     
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  5. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Don't try 2 understand d criteria 4 this sort , i try 2 make it quick
    it's both by size & by quality and then by d order i recalled each 1 .


    Valuev
    Vitali
    Wladimir
    Lewis
    Bowe
    Akinwande
    McCline
    Tucker


    Michael Grant
    Mitch Green
    Alexander Zolkin


    Foreman
    Douglas
    Sanders
    Virchis
    Helenius
    Fury
    David Price
    Deontay Wilder (still lacks d weight)
    James Smith

    Now d journeymen will b :

    Hoffman
    Biggs
    Dimitrenko
    Ustinov
    Lance Whitaker
    Luan Krasniqi
    Savarese
    James Broad
    Mariusz Wach
    Corey Sanders
    Tye Fields
    Tony Thompson
    Ray Austin
    Nicolay Popov
    Jaco (lacked d weight)
    Mike White
    Mike Rouse
    Wills
    John Tate
    Carl Williams
    Audley Harrison
    Jorge Luis Gonzales
    Yamplier Diaz
    Raymond Olubwale
    David Cadieux
    Patrice L'Heureux
    Buddy Baer (thank Longhorn)
    Abe Simon

    less than journeymen :

    Carnera
    Willard
    Cooney
    Ernie Terrell
    Malcolm Tann
    Julius Long
    Derrick Jefferson
    Kevin McBride
    Maurice Harris
    David Bostice
    Fred Fulton (hope i don't confuse him with Bill Tate)
    Calvin Jones
    Faruq Saleem
    Ed White
    Keith McKnight (usually lacked d weight)


    currently 62 names

    remark : d weight comes with d height inevitably .
    So do we have a division yet ?
    i don't think we will ever reach 100 less than journeymen here .
    Not @d next 4-5 years at least .
    I may recall a few more so i laid d foundation & hope 2c some nice completions
     
    frankenfrank, Dec 21, 2011
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  6. thistle1

    thistle1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    what do you mean where I'm heading with this?

    NO amount of Sam Langford's or Tommy Burns' are going to compete with the absolute TOP S-HWs.

    so I'm just trying to see as many of Boxing's true S-HWs as possible and then discuss them on that note.

    it's a fair and accurate line of question!
     
    thistle1, Dec 21, 2011
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  7. DonBoxer

    DonBoxer The Lion! Full Member

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    It infuriates me that people think they can add a height limit to a weight division.

    Sorry Mr Hearns its Light Heavy or nothing.
     
    DonBoxer, Dec 21, 2011
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  8. dmille

    dmille We knew, about Tszyu, before you. Full Member

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    Absolute top super heavyweight? There've only been four.

    Lewis, Bowe and both Klits all have lost to guys who were lighter and shorter than they were. McCall, Rahman Brewster, Byrd and Holy are all under your height requirement.

    When they crushed Wlad, Sanders and Brewster were barely at your weight "limit".

    A guy will come along at about 6' 2-3, 210-220 lbs with wrecking ball power in both hands and all the talk about a super heavyweight division will evaporate very quickly.
     
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  9. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Buddy Baer (plus a bloated Max Baer) could have been in that SHW Division.
     
    Longhhorn71, Dec 21, 2011
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  10. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Max Baer could have easily made d CW limit in its 190 days so a big no 4u .
     
    frankenfrank, Dec 22, 2011
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  11. The Mongoose

    The Mongoose I honor my bets banned

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    This division will rock!!!! I fully support it!


    Peter and Brown should rematch for the Undsiputed Super Heavy Title!


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    The Mongoose, Dec 22, 2011
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  12. junior-soprano

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    less then journeyman : carnera, willard and cooney ?????????? hmm i am very intrested by what standard you judge them by
     
    junior-soprano, Dec 22, 2011
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  13. thistle1

    thistle1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Great start and though no expert (me), Audley & Tyson Fury have got to be at the very bottom of the lists?

    and Carl the truth Williams, and Lou are much better, NO?
     
    thistle1, Dec 22, 2011
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  14. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Baer was 6' 2-1/2" and post Joe Louis fight, averaged about 220 lbs.

    He would have moved up to Super Heavy with Louis dominating the heavy ranks like he was
     
    Longhhorn71, Dec 22, 2011
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  15. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    He did O.K.
     
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