IF a S-HW division did exist...

The part about middleweights is nonsense...it's obvious that the taller you are the easier it is for you to make weight. But tbh I believe that differences between some of the lower weight classes are to small. But never on earth would I say 135 is almost the same as 160atsch

And about those guys you said that are between CW and SHW- I can't agree.
It's boxing not some make-believe or sth. Why would you make weight classes so that everyone would feel comfortable in them without any effort? Guys like Corry Sanders (who actually is quite tall) can work harder and gain some muscles. Guys like Tua or Tyson- they were well built but small, that's true. But thanks to this they were more movable, coordinated and that gave them some edge.

What you want to do would only encourage fighters to remain in their current shape, so tell what would you rather want?

In-shape Arreola at Cruiser (a glorified one CW) or his current version?
Ripped Solis or this burger lover?
Adamek fighting Chambers @ CW or both guys being outmuscled at HW?

I am sick and tired of cruisers pumping themselves up only to get more money at HW, of fat heavies who could cut down to CW or gain some muscles, of anemic big guys not willing to improve their dynamics. Guys at HW right now don't need to work on themselves and that's why it is so weak.

 

Eye doin c where u r going wit this nless u r juz bee ing pro v catiff

 

The super heavyweights started in the 90's. There had been some anomalies before then in comparison but they seemed few and far between.

I always class a shw as someone significantly bigger than george foreman.

I think it's interesting to do a reverse analysis here: imagine if bowe, lewis and the brothers were in a shw division, how would the actual hw division have panned out?

Would holy have remained undefeated until the fight with moorer? If he had have done the belts almost certainly stay unified since there's no bowe to carry out any duck jobs.

Foreman might have still faded into obscurity since he'd have never given schulz a rematch. But maybe he rematches moorer instead of going up against briggs (shw contender along with golota and grant) i'm convinced one of tyson, holy and mm would end foreman's comeback and all had the will to face off against each other imo.

By 97 holy would still be king just as he was in reality. I think that's a crown holy retains up until a fight with byrd who would likely remain champion for a very long time, maybe until the povetkin fight.

So in essence the biggest winners in a shw parallel would be holyfield and byrd imo because unless you hold significant physical advantages you just aren't going to beat them.

 

2d subject of d thread may b ?

 

y not ? d smaller welterweights could b @ even better shape as lightweights & d bigger welterweights could bodybuild their way in2 160 lbs .

Vitali did what u say about Sanders here , d result ? watch Vitali vs Byrd .
Vitali is originally a 210 lbs dude who bodybuilt his way in2 what he is and he is bigger than his brother who is bigger than Sanders .
Now u put Sanders @ d same class with him and d even bigger Valuev .

And had a great difficulty whenever dealing with a reasonably skilled & trained man who had 7 inches over them . sometimes even less .

u want fighters 2 concentrate @ fitting their build 2 a few arbitrary numbers or u want them 2 concentrate @ how they fight ?

I'd rather watch Arreola fighting ppl his own size . I don't care 2 much about ripped or not . I care about what he does in d ring and not in how he looks in it .

U know what a cw is ? Wayne Braithwayte is a cw . is he d same size of david haye , enzo maccarinelli , tomasz adamek ? y should he fight such ppl instead of fighting ppl like tarver , dawson , leon spinks , ossie ocassio ?

 

Yeah with no shw's chris byrd spends the best part of a decade as champ.

 

@frankenfrank

So by the terms of your logic we should have a special NBA league for guys under 6ft? Soccer Cup for overweighted guys?

How would you then like to divide fighters into SHW and HW? By height? So then wouldn't it be unfair to put skinny Deontay Wilder against big Vitaly? Everybody needs an equal chance, don't they? So maybe 4 weight classes? HW under 6'3'', above 6'3'', SHW below 215 lbs and above? I don't think that's a good idea there.

I'd rather extend CW up to 210-215.

Tomasz Adamek is a typical CW. Haye is in between HW and CW so he could choose where to fight. Maccarinelli didn't have problems going to LHW. He's tall but doesn't have big frame.

Slim Arreola in Cruiser would fight people of his own size.

If Vitaly could bodybuilt himself then why do you think Sanders couldn't? Imagine how good he would be if he was more dedicated to the training?

I want them to be professional and concentrate on both. They're getting lots of money for that so I believe they can work hard for them.

 

I think what he meant there was that the way you write f.e 'd' instead of 'the', etc. is annoying and unnecessary

 

U think that d 6'9" players r better than 5'8" players ? and because of it d NBA consists only of big guys ? y not cancel all weight classes and go back 2d days when there was only 1 weight class - d open weight class .
Vitali built himself and that's d cause 2 his injuries and his inability 2 fight like a real fighter . if he tries 2 throws big punches something in his body goes out . That's y he fights like he fights and not more aggressively . So u want smaller guys 2 work even harder ?
it is a fact that @ d HW division ludicrous size differences r d most common . Think what weight classes r 4 ?
a 25 lbs difference @ CW is also exaggerated .
It's ignorant 2 say that Macarinelli made 175 lbs "easily" . There's a reason 2 y he didn't try making 175 lbs b4 .

 

it's very necessary , it makes matters quicker n shorter .

 

6'9'' players have it easier in basketball, if you ever played then you'd know. How many guys around 5'8'' where in history of NBA? Not many...If you're too small pro basketball is not for you. It's that simple.

Wtf with all this Vitaly talking? Watch some of his fights when he was skinny. He always fought this stiff way. And some guys are more vulnerable to injuries than other. Maybe his eye in Lennox fight was also the reason of bodybuilding? But you are right about one thing. Vit fights less agressive right now, that's the way he deals with his weakness- injuries.

I know what weight classes are for. I just don't get why you need to create SHW instead of making smaller guys go to CW and make it more competitive. That's why they've created it.

The older you are the harder it is to cut weight. If Maccarinelli at his age could make this weight then it must be ok with him. Why did he did that? Because he hopes that LHW won't ko him that easily. Why didn't he ever go to HW? Cause he wasn't naturally big and could keep his weight down.

 

Try typing with 10 fingers not only with index ones. At first that would be difficult but I believe you can learn that.

This should make matters quicker and people would enjoy more reading your posts.

 

So y not make boxing like basketball ? if ur not very big then it's not 4u . who needs all those midgets anyway , if they're not good enough 4 basketball then they're surely not good enough 4 this tougher sport , don't u think ?
If Corrie Sanders & George Foreman worked their asses off like Vitali did and does , then they would have had d same injuries .
Holyfield is superbly trained , right ? well , he got d same rotator cuff problem and needed n operation 4 it , and there r more .
If it was so easy 4 Maccarineli making 175 lbs , y didn't he try making it previously ?

I do not care 4 d ppl's joy of reading my post , they should read other ppl's posts , while i respond as quick as i can and also spare my time , my keyboard , HDD space here @ ESB , u name it .

 

Well...they can always go to lower weight class. Wow! That would be sick, wouldn't it? Think before you write;P

You'd never know that, but it is very possible. But they are pros! Check out guys at basketball, mma, tennis, etc. All the best have some problems. That's the nature of the sport. You must be very naive if you think professional
sport is healthy.

atsch
Because he needn't? He was a good fighter at CW so why should he have changed that? Now his chin became too fragile to take shots from CW so he had to either quit boxing or go to LHW and hope he can take shots there.