If Ali fought Dempsey (Both at their best) If Ali wins, what would it be by?

If we assume that Ali wins (never a given), then a decision win or a late stoppage, are both very plausible scenarios.

 

Ali would destroy the Myth named Jack Dempsey. And he would be able to pick the rd he choose to do it in too.

 

Based on what evidence?

 

Ali by decision or late stoppage. He'd outbox him comfortably imo.

 

This would be an interesting fight. Frazier didn't do what Dempsey could do on the inside and in the clinch. I feel like Dempsey's old time inside fighting skills would give him an edge there.

Ali's boxing skills, chiefly the jab and footwork, are enough to baffle really anyone. The fight probably plays out with Dempsey chasing Ali around the ring and engaging him close multiple times per round while finding Ali a very hard target to find the rest of the time. If Ali can neutralize Dempsey's inside work and take his left hook then he has this one in the bag. Even past prime Dempsey could find his mark in the Tunney fights.

60/40 - 50/50 fight with an Ali UD being what my gut tells me. Dempsey's left hook and inside work raises a lot of questions though.

 

Based on what evidence Dempsey could actually fight? The man was stopped multiple times by men that would be considered middle weights WHILE IN HIS PRIME.Factor in the man refused to fight, (so, it could be questioned if he was the best fighter of his OWN era) the best black fighters of his era. Plus, unlike most, I believe my eyes, and the little film that exist of the man shows a fighter recklessly wide open, and slow (esp considered to a prime Ali) Again, were (actually you are) basing Dempseys greatness based on the sports writers of his era. Sports writers who probably wasn't alive to see J.Louis, and esp Ali, Holmes Tyson or Lewis . Dempsey like Johnson, Like Walker, like many others that fought in the twenties and earlier are made into these absolutely unbeatable fighters with absolutely no physical evidence other than the hyperbole of sports writers of their eras. So yes I can say with 99.9 % certainty Ali would destroy Dempsey.

 

Jeez i am right in the middle. I think Ali might stop him late if pressed hard.

 

Ali was extremely susceptible to the left hook. 75% of his knockdowns were from a left hook if you count Wepner (100% if you don't). That's Dempsey's best punch and he came with a two fisted assault.

 

Name me the multiple men that stopped prime Dempsey. I'll wait.

 

Jim Flynn for one, all 5'10" and 160lbs of him, and he was stopped in the 1st rd. He was beaten by 5'9" Meehan,and another fighter I don't remember the name of the fighter in the 1900's(his "prime") so he was stopped once. But my question to you would be , how many fights you've actually saw tape of him fighting. But honestly that answer is very easy. Again your going on what sports writers of the era is saying. Their is nothing else you could be actually basing your opinion on, unless you own a time machine and actually saw him fight. Sports writers who were probably long retired, by the age of Louis, Long dead by the age of Ali.

 

I feel like old time inside fighting skills are vastly overrated. Ali would most likely neutralize them with his size, hand and foot speed, and outside game, and outbox him by a considerable margin imo.

 

Late 60s Ali would stop Dempsey late. He would be comfortably ahead on points. Ali was Tunney but faster, bigger, stronger and better...Dempsey had no answer for Tunney. If those fights are scheduled for 15 rounds, Tunney stops him.

Dempsey would bore in, charge in, and ali would pepper him with fast combinations then dance away...ali would enjoy a nice size and reach advantage at 210 to 185..even if Dempsey gets inside ali was strong enough to control him..if Dempsey lands, ali was durable enough to take it. Ali would stick and move, pepper him with combinations, eat him alive with the jab, and hurt Dempsey with the right hand leads and straight rights

Dempsey kept a low left, he was a sucker for right hands. Carpentier put him on rubber legs, Flynn knocked him out, tunney floored him, Brennan hurt him, Firpo floored him 3x...ali had one of the best right leads of all time..he’d come over the top and mash Dempsey with it...

When it comes down to it...Ali’s Record was in a different stratosphere than Dempsey’s. Think levels people. Ali’s far superior Record proved beyond a doubt he was on a much higher level than Dempsey.

Ali cleaned out the most difficult era in heavyweight history and beat many great heavyweights....Dempsey fought in a far weaker era and couldn’t beat the top 3 best heavyweights of his own era....there records are not even comparable

Ali beat

Foreman
Frazier 2x
Norton 2x
Shavers
Liston 2x
Patterson 2x
Quarry 2x
Lyle
Young
Terrell
Ellis
Foster

Dempsey beat

Sharkey
Gibbons
Willard
Firpo
Fulton
Brennan 2x
Miske
Carpentier


Missed out on Wills and Greb