If Ali was boxing today hed barely scrape the top ten

chitownfightfan · May 24, 2014

fighter86 said: ↑

Some of the present fighters couldn't survive the past ,different era even the ring tarp is different ,gloves ,promoter ,shoes, etc. .Love Boxing for what it is Past, Present, Future.

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BlizzyBlizz · May 24, 2014

Azzer85 said: ↑

Only in Klittard land can being KTFO somehow be seen as a better achievement than going the 15 round distance

Whatever helps you sleep at night :good
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BlizzyBlizz · May 24, 2014

chitownfightfan said: ↑

Well, he never fought anyone with the explosiveness of Sanders, the slickness of Byrd, the granite chin of Purrity and he'd be KTFO against Lewis 2000/50 times.nono

Huge Ali fan here, but don't mention him and Lewis in the same sentence. There's NOTHING robotic or predictable about him....yeah he got KOd, but vs big punchers when he underestimated them and he KTTFO in rematches.....

Yeah, a 33 yo Vitali bullied a 37 yo Lewis....but Lewis held his own and WON the fukking fight......TKO6.

Don't bring your hate into a thread....if you wanna call out the troll for his OP so be it......don't hate the GOAT for being the GOAT.deal:deal
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I see that a big punch means so much more to you than skill, but guess what? Skills pay the bills. :bbb. I have no hate for any fighter, you do. You guys use alts and everything just to say that your fighter is the best ever. Me, I just say Ali is the best ever lol.

As far as the OP...

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boxeo#1 · May 24, 2014

True_Hero said: ↑

Fact.

Fact.
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Mr "T" · May 24, 2014

chitownfightfan said: ↑

Your'e a hater Azzer. Have been since I first saw you post. :think
Ali would be CW Champion today. He'd sneak up to make fights with 40 yo Vitali, steal titles from Haye and Potvetkin, then go back down and reestablish his dominance at 200.
I give Ali credit where it's due. But he aint ever beating Lewis.....he aint ever beating Wladimir and he aint ever beating Tyson.
I think he'd KO Louis.....win a closish decision over Marciano, win another closish decision over second era Vitali, and probably go 50/50 with first era Vitali.

I dont bother to rate crude tiny bangers like frazier and Langford or dempsey or johnson. They were surely entertaining in their day.......and what is boxing but entertainment......but H2H......TODAY BEATS YESTERDAY IN 90% of ALL sporting matches.
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Pretty much spot on:good
Ali was very, very good, but not invincible as portrayed in the 70's

PolishNavy · May 24, 2014

Foreman winning the linear after 10 years of preaching at 46 years old certainly doesn't hurt Ali in this debate. However I have to agree with Chitown in that Lennox Lewib and Tyson and Wladimer would have been to much for Ali. I believe Vitali would have emerged victorious also. Any boxer that thinks Wladimer has a glass chin is only doing Wladimer a huge favor. Of the 78 Heavy Weight Champs nobody has had as many fights against big dudes and less losses than Wladimer. Wladimer has never been TKO'd by a single punch like Lennox and he has never been KO'd. Ali has never met a southpaw with the power of Sanders and Tyson and Lewis I believe have never fought southpaws. Ali was downed by southpaws Cooper and Frazier.

energie · May 24, 2014

True_Hero said: ↑

Fact.

People view Ali's era with rose tinted glasses. They were exciting fighters, sure. But very overrated skill wise.

Ali couldn't beat a big boxer. From today's era Wlad, Vitali, Fury, Valuev, Wilder all have his number based on height alone.

I also think he would struggle against Haye's power and cautious style and I think Pulev's style is all wrong for him.

If Ali boxed today he'd be a Tony Thompson type. A lower top ten ranked guy.

Fact.
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:admin:admin:admin:admin:admin:admin:admin:admin ban yourself for even coming up with the idea pulev/thompson and haye would beat ali/ please ban yourself for the stuppidest post ever on esb HOLY SMOKES MAN THIS IS THE STUPIDEST THING IF EVER HEARD

derrick · May 24, 2014

True_Hero said: ↑

Fact.

People view Ali's era with rose tinted glasses. They were exciting fighters, sure. But very overrated skill wise.

Ali couldn't beat a big boxer. From today's era Wlad, Vitali, Fury, Valuev, Wilder all have his number based on height alone.

I also think he would struggle against Haye's power and cautious style and I think Pulev's style is all wrong for him.

If Ali boxed today he'd be a Tony Thompson type. A lower top ten ranked guy.

Fact.
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You are a racist.

likeafire · May 24, 2014

Ali is so lucky he never had to fight audley harrison...lol

I Know Everythi · May 24, 2014

no. if the klitschkos were in the 60-70s or 90s they would barely scrape the top 10

Beatle · May 24, 2014

You are a true troll hero. Thanks for letting me start my day with a good laugh.

Beatle · May 24, 2014

True_Hero said: ↑

So many people viewing the past "greats" though rose tinted glasses.

Ali was overrated and overhyped. Fact. It seemed just because he said "I'm the greatest" enough times, people believed it.

Wlad, Vitali, Valuev, Wilder and Fury are all too big for Ali to deal with. This is the same Ali who was knocked senseless by cruiserweight journeyman, Henry Cooper. Imagine what someone like Wlad would do to him?

Size matters in boxing. Ali couldn't cope with the big boxers of today. Fact.

In fact, he'd have struggled in the 90s against the likes of Tyson, Holyfield and Lewis too. His era was full of largely overweight, slow slobs. There were a handful of good boxers, but it was primarily clowns who would be journeymen today.

Look at George Foreman. Can anyone honestly say he'd be a contender in todays era? He's be a Chris Arreola style journeyman.
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You're obviously not just having a laugh here. This post seems serious.

You're right about Ali's opponents being slow and unskilled. But that's exactly why Ali would beat today's heavies: they are also slow and unskilled.

You mention Ali getting floored by small guys: yes! That's who gives Ali problems. Smaller men. Not big guys.

You make a lot of true statements and then just draw stupid illogical conclusions. You're saying Ali beat big guys like Foreman and Lyle, but for some reason you think today's big guys beat Ali. These guys are equally big and untalented. And even if a couple of today's guys are slightly bigger than Foreman, it just means Ali would knock them out in 10 rather than in 8.

skier47 · May 24, 2014

BlizzyBlizz said: ↑

Ali was 215 as a full fledged heavy. Now Wlad's epic fights with Ibragimov and Williams show just how Wlad would push Ali around.atsch
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Ali was 215 later in his career when he was slower and openly admitted he couldn't train hard enough to get rid of his pot belly. Wlad is just enormous and would have such a huge size, power and strength advantage that this fight would just be like Wlad, Chris Byrd. Wlad has throughout his career thrashed men bigger and heavier than himself but those big guys lacked his speed, technique and foot speed. His lateral movement is very impressive for such a huge fighter. No cruiserweight, which Ali was during his prime beats the athletic superheavyweight Wlad Klitschko. Nostalgia is great but rarely accurate.

Manfred · May 24, 2014

skier47 said: ↑

Ali was 215 later in his career when he was slower and openly admitted he couldn't train hard enough to get rid of his pot belly. Wlad is just enormous and would have such a huge size, power and strength advantage that this fight would just be like Wlad, Chris Byrd. Wlad has throughout his career thrashed men bigger and heavier than himself but those big guys lacked his speed, technique and foot speed. His lateral movement is very impressive for such a huge fighter. No cruiserweight, which Ali was during his prime beats the athletic superheavyweight Wlad Klitschko. Nostalgia is great but rarely accurate.
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What fighter was bigger and heavier than Vlad? Just curious.

skier47 · May 24, 2014

Manfred said: ↑

What fighter was bigger and heavier than Vlad? Just curious.
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That's easy. Wach at 6 foot 8 and 260lbs, Austin at Wlad's height but about 10 to 15 pounds heavier, same with Tony Thompson but again heavier than Wlad. Sanders was I believe about Wlad's weight but a little shorter and bulkier at a shade under 6 foot 5. Unbeaten Macline at Wlad's height but with more weight and much more bulky, massive physique. Wlad actually handles big and tall fighters generally very comfortably as he is so much more athletic than most other big men his size. His boxing technique is way above most heavyweight fighters. Cruiserweight who spar with Wlad always reference his bizarre speed and how difficult he is to catch flush.

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