If all decisions went the way you scored it, what would ATG's records look like?

Pernell Whitaker
42-3-0-1

 

bernard hopkins - 50 - 2 - 1

 

I think Holmes should be 68-6-1, so his is about right.

Losses to Spinks (1st), Tyson, Holyfield, McCall, Nielsen (yes), Mo Harris.
Draw with Quinn Naverre.

Some of his other fights got very tight but he still deserved the nod. Those are the only ones I take issue with.

Which 3 fights did you have him losing?

 

Pernell Whitaker: 44-1. Yes 44-1. I don't count the BS loss to Borjourquez.

 

Pernell Whitaker 43-2-1. With his losses coming in his final 2 fights. The draw was against Rivera I.

 

So says the idiot that scored spinks a loser in fight I.

 

Whitaker 42-3. His first defeat coming against De La Hoya.

 

Whitaker may have officially lost to Oscar, but he didn't lose if you score it fairly. A draw is worst case scenario, and that's Whitaker's fault for not trying the last round.

 

Maybe he had neilsen up by 1 (damn) point too.


ps. flurries and running count more than 'missing'. :good

 

If you seen Holmes beating Spinks by plodding forward slowly behind the jab and no right hands, then god help you. He must have threw about half a dozen right hands over the 15 rounds. Holmes couldn't double his punches, one shot at a time. Thats not an opinion a fact.

Spinks' defense was much better, he put punches together, and landed the cleaner punches. Some close rounds. But no way did Holmes win the fight.

 

How does running count for anything?

 

at the ned of the fight, holmes knew he lost. You could just tell by looking at his face. He was outlanded big time.