If all heavies were the same size

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  1. chatty

    chatty Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lets say we turn all the heavyweights from past and present the same size but they keep all their attributes exactly the same e.g speed, power, technique etc how different would some fights have been in your opinion.

    Feel free to match up fantasy fights etc.

    Who would be the GOAT H2H etc
     
  2. Muhammad Ali

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  3. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Tyson, Ali or maybe Holyfield would be the GOAT H2H imo
     
  4. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    IDK but d top 5 (seem approximately d best 2 me) would have been :
    1) Marchegiano (but he was not a heavyweight)
    2) Tyson
    3) Tua
    4) Toney (but he was not a heavyweight)
    5) Doug Jones (but he was not a heavyweight)

    HM : Bert Cooper , Jimmy Ellis , Orlin Norris , Chuvalo , Bob Cleroux , Ron Stander , McCall , Holyfield .
    Although most of these were not heavyweights either .
     
  5. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Louis
    Langford
    Charles
    Ali
    Johnson

    To be honest I think there are loads of smaller heavyweights where the saying "never would he have lost to someone his own size" is applicable imo.
     
  6. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It is a good questiom.

    The first obvious answer is fitz. But really, his lack of weight never really effected him, and his power does not go up just because of his size.

    And Lewis and Wlad obviously go dowm. or do they, they still hit damn hard regardless of size and there straight punching style is not goimg to be disadvamtaged because of equal size as much as you would think at first glance.

    And Rocky is physiclly as big as his opponents but does it really make much differenc. he always had reach problems and wouldnt change his style. A boxer like Lennox could still stick and move with him and keep him at bay in theory If you believe tje current lennox could do tjat. Same goes in theory for Tyson who could be kept at bay, regardless of style because of his Jab.

    two guys who i think might really go up in rating are Gene Tunney who may end up as a chance of being the best ever, as his size would not be the disadvantage many think. And of course Joe Louis, who really only has the size argument against him anyway.

    As for a sleeper from nowhere to make a big improvement, I get the feeling Tommy Burns might improve his ranking quite a bit.
     
  7. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Really misinformed questions. If the great giants of the division were the same size as the Byrd's, Frazier's or Holy's, they would fight in a completely different style with increased output, better mobility and speed. Similarly, if Chris Byrd or Marciano were the size of Lennox Lewis, and tried to fight with the style they used, we would have never heard of either of them as both would have gassed out in a few rounds of every fight. A fighter's assets (and deficiencies) largely dictate their style, if they are to be successful.
     
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  8. prime

    prime BOX! Writing Champion Full Member

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    Agreed: Marciano would not have his short man's style; Holmes could not fight comfortably from the outside.
     
  9. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    why couldnt Holmes fight comfortably from the outside? He was pretty much averaged sized anyway wasnt he?
     
  10. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    WTF ?
    was he similarly sized with Ocassio , Leon Spinks , Mike Weaver , Marvis Frazier , Earnie Shavers ?

    He even was naturally heavier than Michael Spinks and both taller and naturally heavier than Jesse Fergusson (although Ferguson was fatter when they fought) . Did he beat them ?

    Then he was equally sized with Norton , Witherspoon & Williams .
    Did he beat them ?

    p4p Holmes was **** , face it . H2H he is just slightly above d 1980s crop , and not because he beat any1 of them but rather because that except of Tyson he wasn't convincingly beaten by any1 of them , of course that had it not 4 d cheating and protection that he got , I would not have been able 2 even claim this .
     
  11. BUDW

    BUDW Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Same one who is the greatest no matter the size Joe Louis
     
  12. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    i thought he beat most of them:?
     
  13. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Only according 2 boxrec and a few corruption apologists , not even necessarily according 2 boxrec if u know how 2 read it .
     
  14. janitor

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    If Sam Langford, or even Tommy Burns was as big as Mike Tyson, they would be prety darn near unbeatable.
     
  15. DonBoxer

    DonBoxer The Lion! Full Member

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    What size are they going to be?

    Using your idea that they keep the same style and attributes.
    Lennox Lewis made the same size as Mike Tyson would be destroyed by Mike Tyson and at the same time Mike Tyson made to the same size as Lennox Lewis would be destroyed by Lennox Lewis.