If Andre Ward stays disciplined with his jab, he should beat Kessler easy

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  1. China_hand_Joe

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    I have been busy trolling football threads.

    Now it is back to serious boxing discussion.

    I do want my original avatar back, however it is on a broken laptop.
     
  2. Danny_Rand

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    Calzaghe didnt give Kessler many awkward angles. The 5th round, he came out straight up, and pretty much beat Kessler at his own game, a jab and a straight left behind it. Only when Kessler morale was torn to shreds then Calzaghe started to really put it on him. Ward isnt as good as Calzaghe in terms of movement, but he's on that plane of movement, and I see it giving Kessler fits being a rhthym fighter. Its why Marquez got Pacquiao in trouble. He was able to break up his rhythm.

    Again, Calzaghe did not hit Kessler with any stiff jabs. If those little flick shots, where he doesnt even extend is arm fully hurt Kessler, then Kessler is in more trouble then I originally thought. If he doesnt respect Wards jab, Ward will start piling up the rounds like Ihop piles up pancakes.
     
  3. o_money

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    I've watched the fight and i don't need to rewatch ****. Okay he only won a few rounds. Big deal he was in with the best fighter p4p in the world at the time. You can put on a good performance, lose and have nothing to be ashamed if the guy you are fighting is as good as Calzaghe and you push him the way Kessler did.


    True he got robbed...what's your point --> he still looked like ****. And no he wasn't brought up fine you don't go from beating on Estiban Camo to fighting at world level on foriegn soil. I would have like to have seen him figh at least one fight against an Allen Green type fighter before trying his luck against a world champion on on his home turff. Ward was brought alone better.

    Cause in the middle rounds he fought like one. And don't get me wrong I love the sweet science of boxing. But leaping across the ring bre hug a guy and hold on for dear life looks bad.
     
  4. Danny_Rand

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    I'd like to see this aswell. You can tell alot of people have never seen Ward fight and think he's like Dirrell, when he's not. Very scrappy, very dirty when he has to be.

    I'd like to see if Kessler can adjust aswell. He couldnt against Calzaghe. His solution was to start throwing hayemakers. And that doesnt cut it at the elite level.
     
  5. JJ

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    Andre Ward is a future star, I hope it will happen a bit later and not against Kessler.

    Im surprised that he is not more hyped by his countrymen, he is a former Olympic goldmedalist and undefeted as a pro!

    I hope that Kessler will win, but the odds is too low on him for me to bet on it.
     
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  7. China_hand_Joe

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    Ward is a very good fighter, but is not on the same level of consiousness as the elite fighters out there. He lacks an extra dimension the like of Calzaghe have. Everything he does is technically excellent. However the likes of Hopkins, Calzaghe and to a lesser extent Kessler are boxing genii.

    Speed and accuracy alone will not open up Kessler. Calzaghe had to fake punches, feint with his body and feet to do that. Ward is no boxing genius and will just throw at gloves this fight.
     
  8. Danny_Rand

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    He won 2 over the course of 11 rounds. He may have won the 12th, but thats meaningless when you are already dg.own 9 rounds. From round 5 on it was a complete shutout, near pummelin
    Sorry, I do believe Floyd Mayweather was the best P4P in the world, with Pacquiao right behind him.
    He didnt put on a good performance. He won 2 close rounds, with Calzaghe blitzing him the rest of the way. How is that a good performance?
    He looked fine. He basically fought how I expected the fight to go. He held a little too much and did some negative things, but Froch was doing his own dirty stuff. Doesnt negate the fact that in his first big fight, he went to Froch's hometown and basically pounded him the last 3 rounds and nearly KO'd him in the 10th. At a nuetral location Dirrell is the WBC champ of the world. Consider the fact that most of yous were expecting him to b
    e run over. I.e Cobbler.

    Dirrell fought 2 contenders before he fought Froch. Oganov and Anthony Hashaw Who gave Roy Jones jr fits. He was fine. Especially considerng a figher of Froch's caliber.

    How woul fighting Allen Green, possibly prepare him for fighting Carl Froch? Totally different styles ad Green got outboxed by Miranda.

    But yeah, thats exactly what his promoters should have done. "Nah I dont think we should do this super six thing, with potntially millions of dollar and international recognition involved. Let fight Allan Green instead.:rofl



    Mayweather does that. Hopkins does that. Hit then wrap up so the opponent doesnt have a chance to throw back. Hell, Tunney made an art out of it. He did hold a little to much but he made up for it by going straight up with Froch and nearly getting him out of there. Taylor didnt land those punches that Dirrell did. Certainly doesnt qualfy *****. Again, you're struggling here.
     
  9. Danny_Rand

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    Sorry Kessler isnt even close to that level. Boxing genius? No. Thats actually an insult to guys like Mayweather, Pacquiao, Calzaghe, Hopkins ect.
     
  10. Danny_Rand

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    It was a flick jab. No power behind it, basically breaking up Kesslers timing.
     
  11. China_hand_Joe

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    I twisted the truth slightly.

    He is the equal of Pacquaio though, he is just a physical monster who Roach has programmed.
     
  12. JMP

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    I'm interested to see if Ward has success getting in close, working Kessler's body.
     
  13. China_hand_Joe

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    Calzaghe has an underrated and very snappy jab.

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    His jab has snapped back the head of every opponent he has faced. Do not listen to Kellerman.

    Ward throws his from too far away and he doesn't punch through his target with it much.
     
  14. China_hand_Joe

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    He will be countered by short right and hooks if he attempts to get close. Even Mirander landed a couple of lefts from this.

    Ward does have an advantage when it comes to holding though, he looks comfortable when he does this. More so than Kessler.
     
  15. Danny_Rand

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    Pacquiao tosses aside great fighters like they were flies. For me to consider Kessler on that level, knockout Ward, Abraham, Froch aind Dirrell all within the first 5 rounds.