If Anthony Joshua beats Parker he becomes top 5 british ATG in under 25 fights

This is the whole reason why no fighter should be judged on ATG lists or in comparison to other eras, because a whole career determines your ranking, and it’s only possible to be objective unless a fighter has been retired for a decent amount of time.

That’s not a comment on AJ or Wilder in particular, that’s a comment on not making sweeping statements until a fighters career is done and the dust has settled.

Lewis’ ATG ranking is going up and up right now as I predicted in hindsight.
How would you have ranked him following being stopped by Rahman or McCall? I would be guessing a lot lower than you do now.

All HWs suffer defeats too. If they fight long enough and at a high enough level so let’s see where AJs losses leave him.

 

He’s two wins away (Parker and Wilder) from becoming an automatic ATG. If you unify a division you’re automatically in there IMO.

if he beats Parker and loses to Wilder he can still become and ATG but that will be defined at the very end of his career.

 

Lennox Lewis, Froch, Calzaghe, Buchanan, Frampton off the top of my head were defo all better fighters than AJ. No records, hype or number of belts will change my mind. I watch them and decide on that.

AJ is defo an exciting fighter but IMO he will never be rated as being better than Lewis. Lewis when at his best was as good as any HW in history.

 

The heavyweight division is terrible let's just atleast agree on that.

He still has to beat what is infront of him but let's not kid ourselves and say these are good boxers he's beating. Hes the best of a bad bunch.

 

I disagree, Wilder is nowhere near Lewis`s level.

 

Takam was decent defensively, Wlad was still as good as anyone Lewis faced in fact he was better than the version of Holy and Tyson that Lennox faced and Parker`s as good as anyone other Brit top ten fighters have ever faced, British fighters rarely face good opposition, Randy Turpin faced one of the best middles of all time in Robinson but while winning their first fight against an out of shape Robi he lost the second, Lewis never really faced anyone that good apart from Holy, Hatton fought Tyzu in a dreadful fight with Kosta at the end of his career, so if AJ beats Parker convincingly you can easily slot him in the top 5 he just has to look as good as Calzaghe did v Kessler but in saying that Mikkel was far better than Parker in his respective weight class.

 

Froch was nowhere near Buchanan`s level, Ken was the best fighter Duran faced according to him, Froch was far too easy to hit compared to the others you mention but I don`t know what makes Frampton better than AJ other than him being quicker because he`s lighter, if AJ was at that weight he would be that quick which is scary to think.

 

If he losses to Wilder there`s no way he would have beaten Ali or Tyson! Ali fought Foreman to regain the title who was much better than Wilder and Parker and for Tyson defending against Tucker in what was his toughest fight during his prime was when he became a proven world class fighter Tony T. would have beaten Wilder and Parker, it depends on the fashion in which AJ beats these guys like Tyson did with Spinks that was when he became a legend he looked unbeatable, AJ will have to match that or Holmes classic with Norton.

 

I think that way of thinking is wrong with Lewis he simply kept getting better after linking with Manny S. and fought much better than he did in the first McCall when he was awful and the second Rahman fight was simply a good performance and proved he was the better fighter, simple as that.

 

its my opinion thats all it can be there is no way of actually measuring it to therefore make it factual.

I didnt rank them in any order they were just 5 fighters of the top of my head that I think are better boxers than AJ.

 

Top 5 Brits ever!? Lol, no thank you. Resume wise, nope. Look it isn't AJ's fault the division is as weak as it is but it most certainly is pretty poor.

 

I think Parker and Wlad would have given the top 5 Brits of all time problems specifically Wlad, AJ still had to deal with Wlad`s amazing reach which can`t be compared to a smaller weight none of the Brit greats were ever faced with a guy that still had that kind of awesome power and had to get off the floor to win.