If B-Hop beats Dawson clearly, where does he stand All time P4P?

He's 47.

 

And tell you the truth I think the Dawson fight is gonna be another Trinidad Scenerio. He may not dominate him the same way but I see a similiar outcome. And I'll tell you why. Anytime you got an inexperienced overconfident young fighter like Dawson who thinks it's gonna be an easy night(and people around him gassing his head up like Gary Shaw) is not gonna study and meticulously prepare himself for battle. Hopkins is doing that now and finding holes and a plan A, B, and C to win this fight. Dawson doesn't have the boxing IQ or the ring smarts to stick with a solid gameplan or adapt when things aren't going his way, and we all seen that when he fought Jean Pascal. Than on top of that Hopkins is playing mind Gmaes by not saying anything, which is smart because he has them thinking he's scared but using their arrogance to shock them when it's least expected.

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Hopkins is much smarter than his opponents (Calzaghe aside) and can adapt mid-fight and manipulate them psychologically. Hopkins plays chess, his mental-midget opponents play checkers. Dawson is a very skilled and busy fighter, but Cintron-esque mentally. Hopkins at 63 years of age has his work cut out for him though. At a certain point, even Archie Moore got old, or too old. Hopkins makes dumb fighters who stand in front of him look like amateurs (Trinidad, Pavlik, Pascal), but Dawson is not dumb. He's just unbalanced. There's a difference. Either way, Hopkins' place in the ATG rankings isn't anywhere near top-20.

 

I'd rate him over Roy Jones, and I dont care how ****ed up it might be

 

AT MW he is behind MMH and Monzon (perhaps Greb)
AT LHW he is Behind Charles, Moore, Spinx, Bivens, Conn, Foster
In this era I rank him Behind Pernell, PBF, Pac, Maybe RJJ.

SO realistically I have to say late 30s as a ball park

 

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45oh44uVpoU&feature=related[/ame], Check this interview out.

 

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNazp5AtPX0&feature=related[/ame], Another good interview I found.

 

Well, I will leave that PED's subject apart even though the last charge on Hop's mind is that at 47, fighting like not even a 35 year older would, is a clear proof of juicing. I can't believe that a B-Hop fan like myself cannot give more than 30% chances of beating Dawson... I mean if Gary Shaw was saying that this was a 50-50 fight to start with, those almost six minutes and Bernard's injury ( or stunt for some, including once short spoken, polite and humble Dawson) must have had a great impact on Bernard's chances. To me it's still a fifty fifty fight or even odds fight and I don't give more to Hopkins b'cause Chad did beat Adamek who's doing well at HWT, beat Tarver twice and beat Johnson twice even tho not nearly as clearly as the shutout victory Hopkins had against Antonio and the fact that he was the only man to stop Glen back at MW and Chad is in his prime at this age and a good fighter and technical boxer-puncher.
Then, it is said that he is a not fan friendly kinda fighter but we are supposed to be B-Hop fans and so we should enjoy how he masters his art. Finally he is called a racist which was Calzaghe's and many followers motivation to beat him. I don't see any love affair from the thread starter with the fighter Bernard Hopkins.
But answering to the question, even at age 47, I rate Hopkins upcoming victory against Chad below his shutout victories against Pavlik and Tarver and his convincing beatings on Simon Brown, Joe Lipsey, Glen Johnson, Tito Trinidad, ODLH and even Jean Pascal because let's face it, Jean Pascal beat Chad Dawson, Hopkins beat Jean Pascal some say twice so it is natural that Hopkins beats Dawson or else Chad's loss to Pascal was a fluke at the eyes of some but not at my eyes.
Then people talk about Hopkins stand in the ATG rankings or in other threads, who is the greater ATG Hopkins or Mayweather, who is the greatest middleweight in history, SRR, Marvin Hagler, Carlos Monzon ( who was undefeated 13 years but didn't defend his title 20 times) or Bernard Hopkins... I guess that All is said like Bernard used the words for the Rematch Once and for All.

 

Guaranteed top 35. Could be argued inside the top 30.

 

It would be amazing if he did that and it would elevate him in the top 30 ..But since Dawson is playing spoiler we won't have to hold our breathe !

 

I will not be surprised if he beats Dawson, he beat the guy that thumped Dawson. What does Dawson actually bring other than a lack of focus and a weak mental state when thing aren't going his way. It seems in every fight midway through he starts to worry about his conditioning and stop fighting. When this happens with Hopkins, Dawson get spanked badly. I will be surpised if Dawson wins, I expect to see the dumb look on his face around the 3rd or 4th round when his emotions settle down and he realizes that Hopkins is there to beat him.

 

I'd be surprised if he keeps up a his workrate for 12 rounds, it's all well and good saying you're going to do it but with a fighter like Hopkins who uses lateral movement you can't exactly unload your best stuff without eating atleast some painful counters.

 

Exactly!

Its not like he is any faster, stronger or any thing ... he was dropped 2X in his fight against Pascal, showing that his body is indeed getting older and cant do the same things.

Anyway, if he beats Chad via UD or stoppage, I would have to put him in top 10

His list is remarkable:
Oldest man in history to win a championship
20 consecutive defenses of middlewweight titles

Opponents:
Trinidad & Pavlick (Both undefeated at time)
Tarver (Light HW Champ)
Only man to ever knockout ODLH (Remenber in the Pac fight, ODLH's corner stopped it)
Only man to stop Glen Johnson if not mistaken
Winky Wright
Pascal (Light HW Champ)
Gave Calazaghe the toughest fight of his career (I personally think Bernard won it but I can see why Joe got it due to activity)
Had 2 questionable SD losses to Taylor

Hard to argue with his accomplishments

 

That doesn't mean anything.

Frazier beat Ali, Foreman beat Frazier, Ali beat Foreman

Duran beat SRL (1st time), Hearns beat Duran, SRL beat Hearns

Forest (RIP) beat Mosley, Mayorga beat Forest, Mosley beat Mayorga

See where I am going with this?