If Bernard completely kicks Calzaghe's butt...where will he be as an ATG?

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  1. EpsilonAxis

    EpsilonAxis HNIC Full Member

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    I'd have trouble not putting him in the top 20, at least next to Marvin Hagler, if Hopkins pulls this off.

    Not only will he have been a top 3 middleweight all time, but will have wins over the the reigning Lt. Heavyweight champ, and arguably the greatest Supermiddleweight of all time, while he's arguably in his prime.

    It'd be a hell of a resume...

    Trinidad
    Wright
    De La Hoya
    Tarver
    Calzaghe
    Johnson
    Joppy
    Holmes
    Echols
    Eastman

    and Hakkar, of course.

    But four of those guys are HOF bound, probably top 100 ATG's, and Tarver is a damn good Lt. HW champ.
     
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  2. Illmatic

    Illmatic Boxing Addict Full Member

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    yeah, top 20.
     
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  3. doomeddisciple

    doomeddisciple Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Top 20 what? At middleweight? Do you count anything he's done since Tarver as a measuring stick against Hagler at 160?
     
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  4. angelos

    angelos Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Same as his position today.
     
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  5. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    So I take it you wouldn't be too impressed with a Hopkins victory?
     
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  6. dave82

    dave82 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    top 25 for me
     
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  7. jecxbox

    jecxbox St. Brett Full Member

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    Dude if he schools calzaghe, I will be completely utterly amazed. To bad I'm gonna be at a golden gloves tournament ****ing **** I'd rather be watching the hopkins/calzaghe fight!
     
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  8. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    If he beat Calzaghe convincingly, his ranking at middleweight wouldn't change. I bring this up because I've heard people say they'd put him above Monzon and Hagler at 160. For me, he's number 5 there and that won't change unless somebody else surpasses him (unlikely).

    P4P, I'd rank him above Hagler and Monzon though. He'd fall anywhere between 20-25, and above Floyd Mayweather for that matter.
     
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  9. SAS2

    SAS2 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    hakkar is a c fighter, joppy a b echols a b eastmen c+ odlh - *****, wirhgt a-, holmes c+, and you forgot to mention the great robert allen,,, a solid c

    :nut:nut
     
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  10. VIP

    VIP Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Look for people to downplay Calzaghe if he loses on Saturday. It will be a shame because Calzaghe is still a great fighter but he just doesn't have Bernards' record.
     
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  11. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Top 30, yes, in over Hagler, still below Monzon though, probably.
     
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  12. platnumpapi

    platnumpapi Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    when he kicks jc ass i think he should be considered p4p 1 again.cause hell tarver will lose to chad and bhop will beat chad.hell he would be undisputed again a light heavy were it all started and mega win over jc.

    sorry mayweather for you to compete with that you would have to beat up oscar again and it cant be no spilt win weather the judges or bias or not and then face the winner of cotto and margo and also beat them in convincing fashion.
     
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  13. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not only his wins but his losses are making him look better. Two controversial losses vs. THE best US talent at the time he was 41 (Taylor) and a closer loss to Jones than any other elite fighter in Jones' prime is a very important thing. And he was far from the Hopkins who kicked Tito's ass.

    Jones vs. Toney: Jones barely lost a round, put Toney on his ass
    Griffin I: DQ of course, but Griffin II: 1st round KO
    Jones vs. Hill: brutal body shot
    Jones stopped Harding, Woods, easily defeated Gonzalez and Ruiz at HW
    But vs. Hopkins, it was like 116-112!

    And Hopkins can say that he's got two STUNNING victories over the two Jones-beaters, Johnson (TKO) and Tarver (119-109) so Hopkins' HOF career is moving up even is his losses...

    Defeating Calzaghe at 43 would be stunning. P4P#1 IMO and a very high place at the ATGs.
     
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  14. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Not sure, but he would definitely be p4p Top 5.
     
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  15. EpsilonAxis

    EpsilonAxis HNIC Full Member

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    I already consider him that. After all, he did beat Tarver (you could make a case he was pfp 15 at the time) and Wright (who was pfp top 5)
     
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