If Beterbiev knocks out Bivol, is he the best light heavyweight of the 21st century?

Basically he has no argument so accuses us of having an agenda when clearly the only one with an agenda is him.

I like fighters of all nationalities from this era now I like Usyk, Derevyanchenko, Lomachenko Inoue, Crawford, Estrada, Ennis, etc who are all different nationalities.

 

I understand what you are saying, assuming your definition of "massacre " is "lose to:.

 

That nutrition, better training nonsense is false.

 

lol

 

i dont think you understand boxing. the way a trainer teaches a fighter to punch, to block, to step, to roll, to pivot, etc...are all measurable. thats how you achieve progress. a trainer can tell when someone is doing it wrong, the speed they do it at, the positioning of feet when they do it, the defensive precautions taken while doing it, all of it is measurable and will translate across eras. if cus damato were alive today, he would point out who has talent in your gym. he would see that the correct way to throw a punch hasnt changed, the way to parry hasnt changed, etc... every motion and series of motions available today across different styles, were all used and available in his time.

 

Yarde gave Beterbiev some difficulties tbf

 

The name Roy Jones jr comes to mind. In his prime he koed Montell Griffin in 1 round. Virgil Hill a fighter who had 20 world title defenses at light heavyweight only lasted 4 rounds vs Roy. He beat Julio Cesar Gonzales by decision, a fighter that would go on to defeat pretender Darius Michalsewski. Roy also beat a number of other good contenders before going up to heavyweight to toy with heavyweight champion John Ruiz. After his HW fight Roy then came back down to LHW to convincingly beat Antonio Tarver by decision a fighter who would go on to have good success himself.

But no, beating some eastern european who beat a former jr welterweight mexican fighter is a much bigger accomplishment.... sorta sounds like Bivol also needs to get a win over Manny Pac under his belt to cement his legacy.

 

Come on, you all admit, @Dynamicpuncher @HellSpawn86 @FrankinDallas , you just can't stand that 2 fighters from Russia destroyed all Western light heavy boxers. Now you want them to fight each other just because you want 1 of them to disappear.

 

Canelo - overhyped and would get murdered by Hagler and co.
Usyk - a great boxer who is top few CW but isn't beating great historic HWs
Povetkin - lay off the green
Wlad - huggy has a glass chin, he gets stopped like he did against the golfer
Tank - he who had not fought a decent fighter in his own generation - just a hypejob like Deontay
Beterbiev - one who could stand with all time fighters. Very hard to be sure but he is a killer with top level boxing capabilities
Bivol - hard to say, but his fight with Beterbiev may answer some questions. His ducking of AB has been extremely frustrating so I am sceptical. Outboxing and getting wobbled by cans is not a compelling argument.
GGG - both underrated and overrated. Outclassed Canelo but got the Bside kick in the nuts. Could potentially be competitive against top MWs but the fact he was unable to put Canelo away makes me wonder.
Opetai - was in trouble in both fights against Breidis, he gets clowned by Usyk and would struggle against the great CWs.
Breidis - a good fighter who could compete against, but not beat, the best.
Pirog - his back injury makes any comparison impossible, but his KO of Jacobs was spectacular.
Fury - ffs he has been exposed.
Inoue - the way he has destroyed all comers is awesome. Potentially the best ever in the lower weight classes, but his life and death first fight with the hard punching Phillipino Donaire adds some questions.

 

naah, it aint like that with me. i give credit where credit is due. i dont care where they come from. if they can fight, they can fight. both these guys can fight, but neither can claim hes the best lhw fighter right now, or in the last 3 years. how can i start making them favorites over guys i know were the best in their time? for beterbiev this is the first name on his resume that would be remembered in 20 years. canelo aside, bivols resume wouldnt stand out either. but now, the winner will have a proven top quality lhw fighter on their resume, which can put him on a more even comparison with top greats.

 

Lol... Another delusional Roid Jones Jr. fanboy.

 

Troll. And an alt.

Besides, Beterbiev is Chechen, Bivol Tajiki.
I bet both wouldn't say I'm Russian.

 

Bivol would have been koed by Roy and Beterbiev would have lost every round vs Roy and this wasn't even his best weightclass. Did he use peds? Yes thats very probable, so what your B idols also use them. Alot of Roys opponents would also have had no problem with dealing with your heroes so who exactly is it that's delusional?

 

It's funny how Michael Spinks and Marvin Johnson are seen as two of the greatest Light Heavyweights of all time

Yet Vyecheslav Lemeshev beat them BOTH. Look at him here beating Marvin Johnson like it's a walk in the park, with ease. The talent difference was massive.

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I mean could you imagine if the Soviet Union fighters like Lemeshev could have been able to turn pro all those years they couldn't.

Beterbiev and Bivol's dominance is just more proof the Soviet Union school of boxing has always been superior to the American school.

 

I won't mention Foster or Jones, but I will say Archie. AB can't hold a candle to him. People going on about AB is almost 40 with 21 fights and getting too old, LOL. Old Archie got the LHW belt at 39 and held it for 10 years. Archie had 10 times the fights AB has. AB<AM.