If Bowe fought all Vitali Klitchko opponents

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  1. lefthook31

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    There is no way to tell by that video. You can hear someone questioning someone on whether or not to stop it and I do believe the doctor told the ref to stop it. That does not look like a butterfly bandage on Vitalis face, it appears to be a piece of gauze most likely soaked in adrenaline that they just left in the cut to stop the bleeding because it was so big. The corner didnt appear to want to stop the fight in my opinion, but Lewis would have ended it round 7, vitali was finished.
     
  2. Johnstown

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    well he fought herbie hide....vitali blew him away..but bowe was in some early trouble.
     
  3. lefthook31

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    Its very hard to determine this. For instance, Hide was undefeated and the WBO champion when he faced Bowe. Bowe also had a very different style to Vitali. Bowe got nailed by Hide, but he also knocked him down 7 or 8 times before he knocked him out.
    Who knows, stylewise the undefeated King of Ko Jorge Luis Gonzalez, or the undefeated Andrew Golota could have presented some serious style challenges for Vitali. He prefers to lay back and fight at distance, which would have fit in nicely to the psyche of both Gonzalez and Golota, who could hang in fights if there wasnt too much mental or physical pressure which really didnt become a factor in both fighters careers until Bowe put them through the meatgrinder. Golota was winning those fights, but that type of fire fight left a lasting impression in his mind, not to mention opponents starting using it against him later on.
     
  4. Johnstown

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    I could see the Golota that fought Bowe giving Vitali some problems...but i cant see Gonzalez doing any better aganst Klitschko then Bowe.
     
  5. The Mongoose

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    -The video does show the doctor leaving the corner and than the bandage/gauze being applied to the cut, which contradicts what Powerbitch was claiming. Either way, it doesn't look like Vitali quit or the corner stopped it.

    -Eh, everyone has their opinion. Thought Round 6 was a clinch filled mess from two exhausted fighters.
     
  6. lefthook31

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    Yeah but Vitali was clearly getting the worse of it. His face was falling off. Lewis sensed this and as Steward said to him in the corner, he had him exactly where he wanted him to finish him off. Vitali could no longer keep the fight at range.
     
  7. lefthook31

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    Possibly, but I was just throwing it out there. Gonzalez was undefeated and very cocky at the time. He was a very hard puncher, stood as tall as Vitali and did have some boxing skills.
    I cant see Vitali apporaching the fight with Gonzalez in the same way Bowe did.
    Bowe drug him into a bar room brawl from the opening bell, that was a very vicious fight, and I think Gonzalez was scarred for life mentally after it. He took a tremendous beating, mainly because of the loads of trash he talked prior to the fight.
    He had beaten both Lennox Lewis and Riddick Bowe in the amatuers, and it just goes to show you the difference between being a pro and an amatuer even at the highest level (olympics).
     
  8. PowerPuncher

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    I wasn't arguing about whether the doctor called the fight off or not, I was arguing if the butterfly stitches were being put in before the doctor called it off anyway, on further viewing that point maybe mute as its unclear if its butterfly stitches or gauze. What is clear is it was applied the second the doctor stepped away, to say they weren't going to put it in the cut anyway is guesswork the doctor needed to tell the referee, if it was butterfly stitching they were likely pulling him out

    If Vitali was told then and there the fight was called off and waited for his cutman to finnish off the job before jumping up to complain about it, then it was disingenous play acting of the highest order
     
  9. The Mongoose

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    -:yep

    -Yeah, I'm sure seeing his opponent's arm raised in victory didn't inspire any sincere emotion. That Vitali, what a fraud.
     
  10. lefthook31

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    The doctor probably wanted to see how bad the cut was thats why he probably had the gauze off the cut. That was a big ass cut and it required a lot of attention. It looks like Souza was using two pieces of gauze on it if you watch closely.
     
  11. DamonD

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    I've actually always felt Round 7 would've been the same, actually.
     
  12. lefthook31

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    Most of the serious damage Lewis inflicted on Vitali was in round 5 and 6.
    The clinching or the fight being more at close range, was clearly favoring Lewis, who was doing that damage with uppercuts and winging rights.

    Again I think Vitali was having a very difficult time trying to fight Lewis in close. Lewis was no great infighter, and a lot of his really rough physical fights were very sloppy, but he seemed to always be better than his opponents he engaged, Golota, Grant, Briggs, etc. When he got in there with a real proven infighter, he was cautious and kept his distance, Holyfield, Tua, Tyson...
     
  13. ticar

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    good post lefthook31:good
     
  14. Mendoza

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    This should shut power puncher and any other fool up who thinks Vitali’s corner stopped the fight. You guys are wrong.

    Care to comment “ power puncher “ ? Any last words fighting weight?

    As I said before numerous times, Lewis was dead tired, down 4-2 on all cards, which means he would need to win 4 of the next 6 rounds on at least two cards to produce a draw.

    Vitlai's cut was not bleeding that badly at the end of round six, and once again don’t discount that Lewis was the more swollen of the two.
    We saw no re-match because Lewis knew he would not be as lucky the next time around.
     
  15. zadfrak

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    Correct.

    Lewis was dead tired. Look at the way the guy plopped/dropped on his stool at the end of round 6. How about just before that and the last 5 seconds of the round---Vitali pushed him backwards from one side of the ring to the other. He took about 10 steps backwards which may have been more than his entire career added up. He'd been falling in throwing punches earlier which was very seldom seen, but never ever was he walked around a ring. Let alone from one ringpost to the other.

    Can anyone think of a time when Lennox was pushed backwards? When he tied a guy up he was like Ali and the guy stayed tied up. He had no legs in there and could not pivot and hold his ground against this opponent.

    Now think of all the heavyweights that lose their legs and go on and win a fight. 1 or maybe 2 thumbs should do it. Whenever I've seen a heavyweight lose their legs and lock those knees to do everything, they are the one losing the bout within a round or 2 and just have minimal punch resistance.