If Boxers hadn't passed away so young they would have been even greater than they are remembered

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Arminius1, Mar 24, 2021.

  1. Arminius1

    Arminius1 Member Full Member

    Jun 7, 2019
    The two I have in mind are Harry Greb who passed away at age 32. Also, Stanley Ketchell who was murdered at just 24 years old. Harry had an incredible 118 fights already but 32 is still a good boxing age.
  2. ChrisJS

    ChrisJS Well-Known Member Full Member

    Sep 11, 2018
    Greb had something closer to 300 fights. Tons of newspaper decisions.
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  3. Arminius1

    Arminius1 Member Full Member

    Jun 7, 2019
    I used BoxRec to tabulate his fights. I sure he had a lot more.
  4. HolDat

    HolDat Active Member Full Member

    Sep 25, 2020
    Passing away early surely makes a fighter's greatness more mythical.
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  5. 88Chris05

    88Chris05 Active Member Full Member

    Aug 20, 2013
    By the standards of his time, Greb wasn't a young man in boxing terms by 1926 when he passed. A lot of miles on the clock and coming off back-to-back losses (albeit not totally popular ones) to Flowers, he may well have been a shade past his best already. Also bearing the scars of a punishing career, which inadvertently brought about his death. I'm not sure if he'd have added all that much more to his legacy had he carried on for a few more years, but you never know.

    Sal Sanchez and Masao Ohba are two painfully obvious examples. Sanchez of course gets plenty of attention to this day, but Ohba is relatively forgotten in comparison, which is a shame. You could throw Les Darcy in there, too. Still just a kid of 21.
  6. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Jun 25, 2014
    They are remembered 100 years later, so I don't know how living longer would've made them more memorable, unless they became famous broadcasters after they retired.

    Otherwise, 100 years later is pretty good for an athlete to still be talked about.
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  7. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Addict Full Member

    Mar 23, 2019
    Sanchez had the accomplishments to back up the post mortem hype. I think his passing was without question one of boxing's greatest tragedies. If not the most tragic. He was prematurely artful and poised, but had plenty of pepper when needed, too. A total master at a ridiculously young age.
  8. Mike Cannon

    Mike Cannon Active Member Full Member

    Apr 29, 2020
    Spot on with the Greb anthology, his best days were behind him, by the time of the Flowers fights, he was slowing down, and clinching more than he ever did, and by all the accounts I have read, he clinched and held a lot during his long and illustrious career.
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  9. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Hagiographer Full Member

    Oct 28, 2017
    Greb and Ketchell were both done by the time they had died.

    Ones I think had a lot of potential were Les Darcy and Luther McCarty
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  10. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Jan 3, 2007
    Maybe Victor Galindez but I think his prime was already pretty much gone
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  11. Arminius

    Arminius Member Full Member

    Sep 5, 2006
    Greb was almost blind when he fought Flowers. He died on an operation for his bad eyes. Ketchell was just 24 years old when he died. He would likely have 10 more good years to box.
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  12. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Addict Full Member

    Oct 4, 2016
    I think Edwin Valero and Salvador Sanchez
  13. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft 'Snarky Little Gobshite' - IntentionalButt Full Member

    Mar 3, 2019
    I doubt that, quite a bit. Ketchel was supposedly showing signs of decline after the Johnson fight - and I doubt that someone with a style as raw and aggressive as that would last very long after turning 25 in that era.
  14. Arminius

    Arminius Member Full Member

    Sep 5, 2006
    I don't think he was declining. In fact, he was scheduled to fight a in a "Super fight "with Sam Langford.