If Brook beat Jarrett Hurd......

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  1. TH1

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    Spence got away with murder? Please explain how? He broke Brook's face, if they were to fight at 154, Spence would have more power too and would break his face again! Let's not get carried away, Brook is an ok fighter, nothing special. His ONE good win was a wrestling match with Porter, the other 2 times he has stepped up he has quit!
     
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  2. LD Boxer-Puncher

    LD Boxer-Puncher Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Totally untrue to say he didn't break a sweat. He looked bothered in spells by Welborn who is a British level fighter, before then obviously putting him away. He made harder work of it than he should have done and for me, showed cracks.

    2 guys that beat Canelo?? What now?

    This is all ifs, buts and maybes anyway, and pretty big ones, I wouldn't give Brook much hope in with Hurd now. Never mind him winning the extra few big fights he'd need to claim ATG status.
    I think he'll beat Khan, that's about as much as I can say for him, which isn't a lot
     
  3. GencoA

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    Spence got lucky? He came to your boys back yard and be back yard and brutalised him. There’s not a boxing fan with a modicum of intelligence who would say Spence was “ lucky” against brook ffs.
     
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  4. Jim Jeffries

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    Both guys have a common opponent in Jo Jo Dan who gave Hurd a bit of a fight whereas he got totally blown out the water by Brook. Brook is a bigger puncher but he may be shot. I didn't see his last fight to judge.
     
  5. Twentyman

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    He’d be a two weight world champion so he would surely have to be considered.

    I think he’s declining now though mate, big time. He’s not interested in Hurd.
     
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  6. Scissors

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    There’s not a chance he takes the Hurd fight. Hurd is potentially bigger than Golovkin and we seen the destruction there...
     
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  7. murphman22

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    I am sure many disagree but Hurd is not a terrible match up for Brook, if he has anything left. He will be able to find the target against him at will and could easily sweep the early rounds. Hurd is technically poor and he's not exactly quick. Obviously Hurd is huge at the weight and will come on late which has been a weakness for Brook. However, if he can do 154 properly I think he can win that match.

    I think Brook has given up thoughts of any type of legacy though. He just wants a few million from Khan
     
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  8. mstar

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    Some facts i am not saying Brook beats him or not.

    1. Tony harrison won the first rounds and was up by 4+ rounds going into 6. He is not even as powerful or anywhere near a boxer Brook is.
    2. Hurds defence is to walk you down and takes A LOT of punches. How will he react against someone with accuracy of Brook and who has good power?
    3. JoJODan was game fight vs Hurd, took him 6 rounds!!! Brook had JoJo out of there in 4 and wobbled him in 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounds
    4. The way Hurd will win this fight is late, what if brook is still there? he will need a KO, wont that open him up against a accurate quicker puncher?
    5. For all his name swift he isn't the quickest foot speed or hand speed
    6. Questions on Kells eye sockets, i have posted this many times. He has titanium plates which are stronger than bone. This has been tried and tested by MMA fighters who boxer years and years after the operation. Also this procedure is used when people have car crashes. This wont be a issue. Its psychological more than anything. If anything its a advantage as its stronger. During the assessment the bone desity/strength of the whole face is analysed and if there was fragile then he would of not cleared by BBBoC to fight. The surgery report was cleared by the medical doctor at BBBoC so this is a mute point, unless we see another injury.
    7. GGG lets face it when Kell challenged him DID NOT KO kell. He took his shots and wobbled GGG who has the chin of Iron. So people saying Hurd blast Brook out in a few rounds are in cuckoo land. Is he can take GGGs power flush then i doubt it be a issue from Hurd.
    8. GGG is a more methodical pressure/cleaver fighter than Hurd. Take the first 3-4 rounds it wasnt a blow out was it?
    9. Kell has very good stamina better than all the Ingle gym (according to him anyway), so without being depleted can his engine last for 12 rounds?
    10. Jason Welborn gave Hurd issues. Lets be honest Kell has tougher sparring partners at 154 than him. He doesn't even punch hard or have the skill. He is british level if anything.
    11. Hurd is coming off sounder injury this will be the idea time to fight as if he has any niggling issues than this become apparent. Andre Ward said it took him 12 months to really TRUST and be confident throwing for full 12 rounds before he was confident it was normal. The physchological affect in fights of any pain affects your ability to throw and become hesitant. From my understanding Hurd is not 100% YET, he still takes rehab for the shoulder.
     
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  9. james5000

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    Hurd let Welborn work that is the truth, maybe he was testing things, or working on something I don't know.

    Against much better fighters you ave never seen him walk to the ropes and let the much smaller bloke work,

    As soon as he took it to Welborn he folded in less than 15 sec

    This is probably how sparring stories get blown out of hand, that wasn't more than a sparring session.
     
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  10. mstar

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    I am sure it was, but i am not so sure he let Welborn do all tose things and take shots for no reason or "just testing"
     
  11. james5000

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    Tony Harrison is a big boy and has very good skills. Think you are seriously underrating him.
    He doesn't have a gas tank but the boy can box very well
     
  12. james5000

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    Welborn didn't even land many shots though, nowhere near as many as Zerafa did

    Welborn just hit mostly arms
     
  13. mstar

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    yes but hurd was not fighting a natuarally bigger weight class person was he? he was the bigger fighter. Even if welborn hit hurd it didnt or have any affect. Welborn is not known as a hard puncher
     
  14. james5000

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    I honestly wouldn't recommend Welborns take it to him strategy to anyone at 154
    The only reason he was allowed to work was because Hurd didn't respect his power.

    Harrisons movement strategy was actually far more effective, he just didn't have the stamina to pull it off and got ground down.

    Brook doesn't have the legs of Harrison so I think he will be forced to go toe to toe tbh
     
  15. LD Boxer-Puncher

    LD Boxer-Puncher Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think you're blowing what I am saying out of proportion, rather than me blowing the fight out of proportion.

    I'm simply stating he made Welborn look better than he is. Which means he did a shoddier job on him than he should have.
    Whether he was trying things or not, he took more punches than he should have against a fighter supposedly levels below and I was very unimpressed