If Calzaghe beats Kessler TOP3 PVP NO QUESTION ?

Not exactly disagreeing with people here, but logically, does it really make sense to make him top 3 when Kessler isn't in anyone's p4p list?

 

Just re-watched some of the Kessler v Andrade fight, I can see JC's left hand connecting all night! I had slight reservations before, but I can see JC giving another masterclass (hopefully)

 

Still Kessler is not even a top p4p fighter on the lists right now. That just shows that SMW is weak as a whole and beating Kessler would be big for the SMW division but not necesarily p4p. He would be beating a titlist.

 

If the whole way to rank P4P guys wasn't so skewed towards stardom, then Kessler would already be lower top 10.

 

Top 10 no doubt but top 3?!?

 

He's already top 5 on most lists.

 

Top 5 for beating Lacy? Crazy.

 

Top 5 for longevity, H2H ability and dominance. Who should be ranked over him?

The former top P4P's are now past it and we have some fights coming up to clear things up, namely in 2 days, Calzaghe vs. Kessler and in another week, Cotto vs. Mosely.

Wright can no longer be legitimately ranked P4P. Taylor is out, Pavlik is simply not good enough in ability to rank higher than lower top 10.

 

longevity? defending the wbo title hundreds of times counts as longevity?

 

If the defences are against a good crop of fighters, yes, in Calzaghe's case in the SMW division, he's defended against a very solid crop including the career statement over Jeff Lacy.

Won from Eubank, then defended against Reid, Woodhall, Starie, Sheika, Mitchell, Veit x2, Mkrtchian, Lacy and then Bika.

That's a solid crop.

Hopkins after Jones and before the Tito fight defended against -

Mercado, Holmes, Vanderpool, Echols, Joppy, Allen & Lipsey. In my opinion, this crop was no better or worse, add Tito, who a great former WW, then DLH, Eastman, two losses to Taylor and Tarver and Wright and it's now somehow P4P top 3 to some despite Hopkins being 42 years old and barely getting by due to that.

The point is, Hopkins was P4P before Tito, people who picked Tito were idiots and people who didn't rank Hopkins when he was dominating the best his division had to offer prior to Tito, were also foolish.

Boxing is too based upon stardom over quality.

 

You said it!

 

I do my P4P lists (as do most people) on proven ability. You admit Calzaghe hasn't fought any really good opponents and are just guessing that he has the ability to be in the top 10. In that case I submit that Amir Khan and Andre Berto should be in the top 10 too.

 

:rofl

That just shows your lack of boxing analysis ability if you think it's that simple. It's not so hard to tell that Khan has no head movement even against poor opposition, has bad footwork and that his speed is over stated.

It's not hard to see that Berto has a shaky chin, a leaky D and poor accuracy while being totally predictable, against the limited opposition he's faced.

Calzaghe, having faced many very good fighters of different styles and intangibles, has shown very few weaknesses and many elite strengths, this is very evident if you pay attention.

 

If Hopkins beat Calzaghe after Calzaghe potentially beats Kessler, then yes, Hopkins at #1 and likely a top 15 ATG.

Highly unlikely, considering he couldn't even clearly beat Jermain Taylor, who's a level or 2 below Joe Calzaghe. In fact, it's a mismatch at this point, as Hopkins is 42.