If Calzaghe beats Kessler TOP3 PVP NO QUESTION ?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by yesihavearm, Nov 1, 2007.


  1. joeboxer

    joeboxer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I guess 10 years of dominance don't count. beating multiple top tens dont count. Beating the concensus number one at smw doesn't count.
     
  2. Boro chris

    Boro chris Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Then! Not now! He's too old unless his last fight was an anomanaly.
     
  3. yesihavearm

    yesihavearm Active Member Full Member

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    Rumsfeld, i'd like you to tell me who Joe Calzaghe has to beat then.

    Joe Calzaghe is the number1 fighter from Middleweight to Light-Heavyweight - He'd beat anyone in those divisions Kessler/Hopkins/Pavlik ETC....

    If being the number1 fighter in that range doesnt put him at number3, then what does ?
     
  4. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    So if he beats Calzaghe, he ISN'T overrated? But right now, he is? But Calzaghe is a bum and fraud to you? Contradictory....
     
  5. Boro chris

    Boro chris Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Don't even try to reason with this guy. I think he's here as some kind of social experiment.
     
  6. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Joe was the best fighter for a long time at a mediocre weight class which has always been best known as a resting place for overweight aging middleweights and a hiding place for underachieving light heavies.

    Historically, despite the fact a few great fighters have passed through, the division is ****.

    Calzaghe has been SO GROSSLY OVERRATED since beating Lacey (who himself was grossly overhyped) that I find it frightening. Joe is a very good fighter, and I give him props for his longevity atop the weight class, but he is not now, nor has he ever been an ELITE fighter.

    His biggest wins are against Eubank and Lacey. Kessler would be on par with those two, but Kessler himself is hardly a world beater.

    In terms of the division, the winner might well go down as the best in its history.

    But P4P, Calzaghe is NOT on the level of B-Hops, even now.

    I *hope* Calzaghe gets by Kessler, because I'd love to see Hopkins-Calzaghe after that.

    And by the way, to claim that Calzaghe has been the best between 160-175 is an opinion with no real basis in fact.
     
  7. Dorfmeister

    Dorfmeister Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    To Richie Woodhall in Setanta Sports Boxing Chat and available on you tube, Calzaghe is already the best fighter in the world pound per pound and faced with the similarities in age and against whom he is put against with Shane Mosley, Richie says that Joe should have 3 great last fights in him and Shane not even one... And that gat to be biased! If Joe Calzhage beats Mikkel Kessler, he becomes the undefeated long time WBO Super Middleweight Champion of the World and the WBC and WBA "Super" versions titlist and that puts him in the Top 3 in the World right behind Floyd and Manny but only if...
     
  8. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Because we both know that being overrated and underrated has alot more to do with the overall general point of view than a fighter and not his direct relation to one particular fighter. You know this, and this wasn't even a good attempt at hiding it.

    You also set up a position where you can always claim that BOTH fighters are bums no matter what.
     
  9. Boro chris

    Boro chris Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wow! Thats just....wow!:admin
    Now I do think that Amsterdam (lets not even get started on CHJ:lol: ) gets a bit carried away with Joe, but to say he's not elite smacks of some kind of bias.
    And to say Kessler is not a world beater leads me too believe that I'm wasting my time here. I mean thats a bizzare statement to make. The potential is there for all to see and his fight against Joe is his first major step up.
     
  10. mike464

    mike464 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thanks for being realistic about all this. There's no getting through to some of Calzaghe's fans.
     
  11. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Hatton fans are even worse, you all think he's got even a slight shot at Floyd, when he's realistically just taking a big payday.
     
  12. Fedor Em

    Fedor Em Enforcement, VRWC style Full Member

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    If he destroys Kessler he will probally be #2 on my list, if he wins a fairly wide UD he will be #3, and if he wins a razor thin decision that can go either way he will be about #5.
     
  13. mike464

    mike464 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm not a Hatton fan you muppet. If Hatton doesn't have even a slight shot at Floyd 4/9 are increadible odds. Why don't you put a few grand down?

    If Calzaghe had set up a fight with Roy Jones in 2002, he'd be given very little chance of winning too but he should have tried. Hatton got rid of his WBU title, went to the States to fight and also won a title in a higher division. Now he gets a shot at the P4P number 1. Maybe you're jealous? If you're not Calzaghe himself I don't see why you should be but you do seem quite emotionally involved.
     
  14. Axe

    Axe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'll move him close to my top 5, if he dominates Mikkel then perhaps a top 5 spot is warranted, otherwise he'll be 6 or 7 (have him at #9 currently).

    As has been mentioned Kessler himself is not a P4P fighter at this point, though he is the clear #2 at the weight.
     
  15. DanePugilist

    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

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    What if Kessler wins?