If Calzaghe fought everyone on Hopkins record....

Calzaghe loses to Jones every day of the week and twice on Sunday, probably by stoppage.

He already has 2 moral losses to Johnson on his record by account of ducking him twice, and 1 moral loss to Echols for the same reason. There are also rumours of Calzaghe ducking Eastman back in the day who Hopkins easily beat but I'm undecided on that one.

I suspect Tarver would also beat him.

 

im a hopkins fan but I have to admit the only guy I see joe losing to is roy jones:bbb

 

No they are not. How many Eastman fights have you seen? He is a lazy, lethargic fighter with a good chin and decent power. Reid would have whipped Eastman and Reid was a bona fide world champion who when shot still beat Ottke on everyone but the German judges cards.

As for the other names...please.

 

This thread has gone south fast....

I can see mentioning fighters like Johnson, Wright, Taylor, Jones, Echols or Tarver. But DLH, Tito and the lot would be beaten by Calzaghe.

Going back to basics here...Calzaghe fighting Hopkins calibur of opponents would have at least 1 loss...and in all seriousness, a few more. Hopkins fighting Calzaghe's resume is undefeated.

This tho has NO BEARING on the fight in April. Some fighters match up well vs others...some greats would lose to good fighters...comparing resumes is all well and good....swapping them proves nothing.

 

Well stated, I think the point of the thread was to prove Hopkins resume as being far superior to Calzaghes, I feel the point he was trying to make was proven.:good

 

no doubt he loses to Jones, Tarver, Taylor, Delahoya, Trinidad, Johnson

 

Yeah, no doubtatsch

 

By that reckoning, does Hopkins have a loss to JC on his resume?

 

Absolutely so, he also has a rematch loss to Jones on his resume for the same reason. This has no bearing on the fight whatsoever though, this is a 'fun' thread as far as I can tell.

Calzaghe has a far bigger history of ducking than Hopkins though - you wouldn't have got Calzaghe fighting a monster like Jones in his 20's like Hopkins did. Hopkins also survived the 12 rounds, which I severely doubt Calzaghe would, his skills are far too primitive and basic to cope with prime Jones.

 

Actually, I reckon a Jones-Calzaghe fight would of been relatively boring. Jones essentially cruises to a 9-3, 10-2 ud. In saying that, this would be my absolute dream fight. Prime Jones v prime Calzaghe.:deal

Calzaghe made some big **** ups in his career, but it's not over yet. What would Calzaghe have to do for you to rate him as a fighter once again:think

 

Guess you never heard of Archie Moore? Lennox Lewis? :huh

And Joe's only 36 now...A lot can happen in 4 years.

 

I think it's pretty bold to say for certainty that Calzaghe would've only had one loss against RJJ and everyone else is a cake walk.

Winky at 168 would pose problems for Calzaghe. Tarver might overpower him during his prime. Johnson, with his come forward activity, might pose problems.

I think it's so easy for people to look at these guys NOW and say they "suck". But let's talk about their prime years.

 

It's too late for Calzaghe to be rated by me again by his own doing. Calzaghes status in my tiny mind (before anyone else says it) has far more to do with what Kessler does from now on than it does what Calzaghe does from now on, seeing as Calzaghe has played the waiting game and avoided all the REAL fights until they're obviously past their best like Hopkins is. If Kessler turns out to be a world beater then I might revise my opinion but again that depends on the comp he faces from now on, the 168 division is crap and has been since the late 90's.

Someone on another thread suggested that Calzaghe is the greatest 168lb fighter that ever lived :nut :nut :nut :nut Unbelieveable seeing as Jones, Leonard and Hearns all fought at this weight I believe.

Also you're being far too generous giving Calzaghe 2 rounds against a prime Jones. Prime Jones had the workrate, the skills and the speed to just take the **** out of Calzaghe round after round. It would end in stoppage unless Jones hurt his hands. If Jones got injured it'd be 120-108 across the board unless there were knock-downs.

 

Lewis never fought at the age of 40, but I understand your point. Calzaghe won't prove himself to be as good as Hopkins at 40, never mind Moore. The only reason he looks so fresh at 36 is.....ah **** it check boxrec.

 

That's right....but he was close to 40.

I miss the days when there were only a few posters who liked Joe C (myself included). Now he has so many fanboys claiming he's up there with Leonard or Hagler it's disgusting.:-(