If Calzaghe had picked opponents Froch style, how many defeats would he have had?

I'm 90% sure calzaghe wouldn't have been undefeated if he would have fought the best consistently.. must be eating at him a bit him that froch has surpassed his legacy... maybe enough to come back to fight froch?

 

Theres 3 of the best middle\supermiddle fighters of all time there, more to the point how many defeats would calzaghe have had had he fought frochs opponents, the only fight that would have been close would be Ward in USA even then i think calzaghe would have outboxed him

 

prob being a bit biased herol gee im a big calzaghe fan, as you say only time will tell how great ward is, if he took on froch in england, kessler in denmark i reckon he would loose at least one of those, and depends on what judges he gets some will count against his spoiling dirty style, but then again he could turn out to be an all time great

 

The fact that you've not put in "0" suggests you're biased.

The fact you've suggested James Toney, and "prime" James Toney, confirms beyond all doubt that you're a complete and utter spastic.

 

Wouldnt it be amazong if Calzaghe came out of retirement to fight Froch in the UK and defeats him. Mega fight

 

This thread is deeply flawed.

 

Obviously prime Hopkins, Jones and Toney beat him easily. Other than that probably just Ward.

 

Is it coz they is black? :roflatsch

 

Look who pops up to give people a lesson in how to be consistently ******ed.

 

3 losses

 

Some of these fights would have to be very early or very late in Calzaghes career. Froch has taken on his string of fighters in his prime / late prime. This list of potential fights would have needed to take place in a timespan of more than 10-15 years. So picking the best-of-the best in more than a decade is pretty selective.

More importantly, fighting people like prime Bhop, Roy Jones and James Toney would mean that Joe Calzaghes level of opposition would be much better than Frochs. Some of them are arguably ATG's (although seemingly hell bent to destroy their own legacy).

So comparing Frochs number of defeats with Calzaghes number of (hypothesized) defeats would be comparing apples to oranges.

The thread is flawed from the start.

 

Steve Collins (assuming he hadnt retired with his illness).

Calzaghe did sign up to fight him, however Collins chose to retire. Calzaghe had been 8 rounds twice by that point, and to say he was extremely green is an understatement.

puppet champ Ottke - inevitably in Germany with a cheating ref

Calzaghe wanted the fight, Ottke didn't.

prime Roy Jones - pretty much a guaranteed defeat

Neither wanted to fight the other, so blame rests with both fighters, there was never a demand for it, and RJJ had left SMW before Joe even won his first world title. So the fight would have had to have happened either when Calzaghe was ridiculously green if he was to fight prime Roy.

Also, "guaranteed defeat", Douglas - Tyson. There is no such thing ever as a guaranteed defeat or win.

prime James Toney

Toney's last fight at SMW was in November 19994. At the point of that fight, Calzaghe was 7:0, and by the end of November he was 8:0

Are you SERIOUSLY suggesting that Calzaghe should have got a fight with Toney at 7:0? There was no feasible reason that this fight would have been made, Calzaghe was nothing more than a potential Welsh prospect, with a decent amateur pedigree.

Robin Reid rematch that Reid deserved

Reid chose to fight a low calibre bunch of fighters following the Joe fight, and other than a win against Vasquez - never really did anything to force himself into the reckoning. He was probably unlucky to have lost to Ottke, and had he won, maybe a Calzaghe rematch was possible. Hardly Joe's fault.

prime Bhop

Joe couldn't make MW, and Hopkins turned down a career high payday to fight Joe at SMW. One person was willing, the other person wasn't. Blame the guy who basically ducked Joe in 2002.

Marcus Bayer

Good fighter, but really no better or worse than other names on Joe's record, Kessler finished him, Joe finished Kessler - while that doesn't guarantee a win for Joe, there's no real argument that Bayer had any weapons to really trouble Joe.

young Bute

Bute won his title (that Joe was forced to vacate) a month before Calzaghe fought Kessler. A fight before then with Bute wasn't worth anything, and after that point Calzaghe moved up in weight.

It wasn't ever a feasible fight, and wouldn't have been worth anything. Bute wouldn't have been ready for Joe at that point, nor would he have likely been ready last night.

Robert Stieglitz

No better or worse than Veit. And certainly not a fight that should have taken place instead of Kessler.


Ward

When? 2 years into retirement at the age of 39/40? Or when Ward would have been considered Green and not worth the paper written on.

Hopkins rematch

Could have happened maybe instead of the Jones fight. over 70% of people believe Joe won the first fight according to many ESB polls on the subject, and neither fighter seems to like the other. I believe Joe was robbed of a comfortable unanimous decision win, and Hopkins was better served doing what he did do with his incredible run either side of the Calzaghe fight, than he would have done had he lost to Calzaghe for a second time. While it was a fascinating fight, and one of my favourite to watch (I love the subtle adjustments, and attempts to change the tide by each fighter round by round), it wouldn't have served anything - Hopkins is clever enough to make any fight ugly, and can always say that in his prime he would have won - which is always really subjective.