If Calzaghe had picked opponents Froch style, how many defeats would he have had?

Calzaghe defeats everybody except probably James toney and RJJ ,but still be a very competitive fight and Calzaghe could upset either the two if they don't bring their A game.


Ward is not in the same stratosphere as Calzaghe, RJJ or Toney. The rest are ****ingly hopeless to even be compared.


The Ward -froch fight was just dirty tactics, lots of hugging, bending way below the waist like a gayweather imitation, and hitting while clinching.

 

Marcus Beyer ducked Calzaghe, Ottke did, "prime" Hopkins did (even though Hopkins best wins came around the time he fought Calzaghe), I don't know what the **** makes you think he ducked Stieglitz but that would be an easy fight for Calzaghe. Calzaghe actually wanted to fight Jones (I agree Jones would have on but he was a massive roids user). Reid deserved a rematch yes (but Froch hasn't rematched Dirrell has he) and Calzaghe was supposed to fight Collins but Collins ran off into retirement.

 

"A teleconference was set up in my office in New York for July 30th, 2002, and on the call was myself, Don King who was in the room, Frank ****** and Bernard Hopkins' lawyer, Arnold Joseph. Along with Arnold was a woman named Linda Carter, who was there on behalf of Bernard. We asked Arnold if Bernard wanted to fight Joe Calzaghe and we asked him how much money would he want if he did. The response we got was $3million and the fight would have to take place in the United States. After a little scratching of the head, we said 'Okay, done.' Frank ****** agreed on the spot, Don King agreed and we agreed so as far as we were concerned all parties were singing off the one hymm sheet. Arnold excused himself with Linda and I can only assume it was to call Bernard. Either that day or the next day, they came with a new demand: $6million, double the sum that had been agreed, the deal blew up.....he had then and still has no desire to fight Joe Calzaghe, that much is pretty clear.

Joe gets criticised sometimes for not having fought the big-name Americans, but in this case the fault has never rested with him."

- Jay Larkin, then Showtime TV Network's Senior Vice-President of Sports and Event Programming.


Hopkins was always a ducker and didn't fight anyone until he had the excuse of being old. Calzaghe's SMW title reighn was better than Hopkins MW title reighn.

 

He would "lose" to Sven Ottke and lose in all literal senses of the word to Roy Jones Jr. Andre Ward may defeat him, if he's able to place some headbutts succesfully to shake his style.

 

I'm one of Joe's biggest critics but I can't disagree with this post. H2H I believe Froch has the better resume though.

 

He probably would have gone 7-1, maybe even 8-0 against the guys, or guys on the same level as Froch. . . Calzaghe is that good. . .

 

Hopkins hasn't failed to keep up the pace either before or after Calzaghe - so that was the one fight his age caught up with him stamina wise?

When he was able to produce the goods years previously, and years later?

Seems a stretch to me.

 

As far as Hopkins and Jones...I agree with those that pointed out hat Hopkins did not move up to face Calzaghe when that fight could have been originally made. Hopkins was really trying to milk his MW career at that time.

I've always maintained in this case, the fault lies with Hopkins for not moving up just like I maintain that Calzaghe was the cause of not fighting a prime Roy at LH because he did not bother to move up. You can only fight who is in your division and who is willing to take a chance.

Hopkins may have been able to beat Calzaghe at the time he was asked to move up but we will never know. Either way, it would have always been a good fight.

Prime Jones however, I give the edge to Jones Jr. To good at that time and Calzaghe was always to open to be hit for someone like Jones. Good fight though.

 

He did start to pace himself in his mid-late 30's as he was declining.

His stamina which helped his punch-out-put when younger was much better.

His best chance to keep up with Calzaghe would have been if he had moved up right after the fight with Tito. but he wasn't going to do that since there was money to still be made at MW...as well as setting a legacy with record defenses. But he did decline stamina wise.

And if you go way back to his earlier years, his younger years, like when he fought Glen Johnson, that ability and that pace was really something.

It doesn't matter. Both were in different divisions in their prime years.

 

It could be Jones and Toney and yeah I do think it's ****ing stupid to include Robert Stieglitz in that list. He's not even as good as guys like Mario Veit. Calzaghe would have completely destroyed him and still would.


"A teleconference was set up in my office in New York for July 30th, 2002, and on the call was myself, Don King who was in the room, Frank ****** and Bernard Hopkins' lawyer, Arnold Joseph. Along with Arnold was a woman named Linda Carter, who was there on behalf of Bernard. We asked Arnold if Bernard wanted to fight Joe Calzaghe and we asked him how much money would he want if he did. The response we got was $3million and the fight would have to take place in the United States. After a little scratching of the head, we said 'Okay, done.' Frank ****** agreed on the spot, Don King agreed and we agreed so as far as we were concerned all parties were singing off the one hymm sheet. Arnold excused himself with Linda and I can only assume it was to call Bernard. Either that day or the next day, they came with a new demand: $6million, double the sum that had been agreed, the deal blew up.....he had then and still has no desire to fight Joe Calzaghe, that much is pretty clear.

Joe gets criticised sometimes for not having fought the big-name Americans, but in this case the fault has never rested with him."

- Jay Larkin, then Showtime TV Network's Senior Vice-President of Sports and Event Programming.

That's where I get that from about Hopkins and no Collins didn't retire due to illness. He didn't fany the risk/reward of a young unknown Calzaghe. You could have gone somewhere with this thread but you just seem to know **** all about boxing. Putting Robert Steiglitz in this thread is a joke and Hopkins fought nobody until he was 40 and had the excuse of "of well I was past it". The Tito/DLH wins mean nothing imo (sturm had just beaten DLH, and his best wins cam around the time he fought Calzaghe, i.e Pavlick, Pascal, Wright, Tarver etc.

 

Mostly correct, except the last sentence.

Collins collapsed while sparring in preparation for a possible Jones fight. His doctors advised he could die if he were to hit to the head, so he wisely retired.