If Calzaghe was American he'd be #1PvP

atsch you silly moo
he was fighting top 10 supermiddlewieghts for 10 years mostly unbased fighters who fight in europe not U.S.

us brits make a fuss about this is that he was a top p4p fighter fighting the best guys he could find...most of them were real contenders and he's fought 6 world champions...roy jones didnt do that nor did bernard.

it's just this biased cant be ****edness about american "sport" fans who know boxing but not alot to make unbiased decisions.

how many times have you heard a snobbish attitude towards european fighters...just the other day we had a poll about kelley pavlik-arthur abraham and most guys saying arthur hanst fought great compatition.

also SOOO many fighters get a titles shot after winning the USBC or NABC titles...why??? is the commonwealth belt or the european belt not worth the same wieght becuase of it.

 

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What?!? atsch

 

His whole post was atsch.

 

Let's examine records of Calzaghe's last few opponents:

Kessler - 0 losses
Manfredo - joke fight (3 losses)
Bika - 1 loss
Lacy - 0 losses

OK, take out Manfredo - stupid move from Joe's promoter. The guys he's fighting are winners - some of them dangerous ones at that, Lacy's punch, Kessler's all round game, rough house Bika. The trend continues further back in his career.

 

I doubt, for the time Joe was champion at 168, Hopkins reign 160 and Jones was fighting at 175.
Hopkins managed to fight only the guys from below 160, and Jones was too busy to go back down to 160 again.
The one possibility would be fight with Toney.

 

Jones fought 8 world champions in the LHW division ALONE. He also fought 12 Top 10 fighters. He no more avoided DM than DM avoided him, and we all know who the draw was and who had the bargaining power.

So that statement was HORRIBLE and not based in reality at all. Next time you might want to verify a statements factual validity before backing it up. Jones cleaned out the LHW division except for one man.

 

I think Yahoo have got it about right at number 3 behind Pacman and Mayweather.Depending on what happens after the upcoming fights he could argueably go higher.

 

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collins - ducked him .he was using the eubank win as a way of staying away tough compatition he fought hard fighters but hand picked them in his later career.

benn - had retired.was goign to make a comeback but ahd left wich left eubank and collins in charge of the division..he hurt his ankle tkoed then got a corner retirement.

jones - was already moving to light heavy and wouldnt fight somone the americans havnt heard about.

bernard - was now becoming the man to beat at middlewieght. no point going up in wieght to fight a no named european.

toney - had been on a lay off in this part of his career with losses to tadzi and looked shot and was at light heavy which james was in no shape or form going to shread wieght to fight a super middlewieght. when he could fight a light heavy or cruiser for the same price or even better price.

what can you do when all the fighters wont face you becuase your too much of a risk and have too little reward from it.

 

Dude, these are his last 3 fights, of course people will emphasise them.

For a top p4p fighter at an advanced stage of his career to fight Bika and Manfredo is a total joke and an insult to true boxing fans.

 

Bollocks. First off his statement was wrong, he said RJJ never fought 6 "world champs" but Calzaghe did.

Calzaghe has fought one (1) titlist in his 12+ year career. Jones has actually beaten 6 reigning world champs if my count is correct. If we are talking former champions, Calzaghe may have several on his record but RJJ still has more champs altogether, never mind the quality of opposition.

Now as to fighting the best. There's a list floating around of all the titlist Joe failed to face at SMW, let me tell you, it's rather long. He also never fought Ottke. That impacts his legacy just like (though perhaps not as much as) RJJ never facing DM for the 175 lb linear title.

Lastly, RJJ has, throughout his entire career, fought much better competition than Calzaghe has. There is no question. That is why he was P4P #1 for nearly a decade whereas Joe has just cracked the top ten at 34 years of age.

 

it's true while calzaghe was fighting robin reid
roy was fighting police officers
and hopkins fighting punching postmen.

as amazing as roy jones is/was his defences werent top quality till later on when he was just taking fights of any belt he could...why do you think roy would fight calzaghe when he wouldnt fight dariusz michaelwski (sorry all polish posters im rubbish with namesatsch ) the lineal light heavywieght champ?

 

Disagree about the first part (DM seemed far more eager to make the fight, and Roy wasn't exactly ever a "draw") but I concurr that the statment is indeed ridiculous.

 

He is obviously referring to Former or current champions....and Jones fought more at LHW alone than Calzaghe fought in his whole career. Jones fought at least 8 world champions at LHW and 12 top 10 fighters. I would call that good competition. He is quoting a myth, one that can't be substantiated.