If Calzaghe was American he'd be #1PvP

That's BS. Yes, the other P4P fighters had stay busy fights, but they didn't have runs of fighting guys outside of the top 10 for years like Calzaghe. The onus is on you to make the argument that Calzaghe's schedule was as strong as Mayweather's, Pacquiao's, Hopkins' of Taylor's because the assertion so clearly flies in the face of common sense.

Calzaghe's fights since 2001 (top 5 contenders at the time of the fight bolded):
Manfredo
Bika
Lacy
Ashira
Veit
Salem
Mkrtchian
Mitchell
Pudwell
Jimenez
McIntyre
Veit

Now you tell me with a straight face that, other than Lacy and Mitchell (who was basically shot at that point), that isn't a really crappy lineup of fighters to be facing for a champion. It's not horrible on the level of Pong or Calderon, but that's 7 YEARS of facing only 2 guys who were top 5 contenders at the time he fought them. From '97 - '00, Calzaghe fought a respectable schedule, but he just hasn't since then.

Just for comparison's sake, here's the guys who the other fighters have fought in that same time period:

Mayweather:
De La Hoya
Baldomir
Judah
Mitchell
Gatti
Bruseles
Corley
N'Dou
Sosa
Castillo
Castillo
Chavez
Hernandez
Corrales

Pacquiao:
Solis
Morales
Larios
Morales
Velasquez
Morales
Fahsan
JMM
Barrera
Lucero
Yeshkemunpronouncablename
Fahprakorb
Julio
Sanchez
Ledawba
Wethya
Senrima

Hopkins:
Winky (I'll give the benefit here and not bold him, even though he was top 10 P4P)
Tarver
Taylor
Taylor
Eastman
De La Hoya (same as Winky)
Allen
Joppy
Hakkar
Daniels
Trinidad
Holmes

Taylor:
Pavlik
Spinks (See Winky and DLH above - I'll give the benefit of the doubt here)
Ouma (same)
Winky
Hopkins
Hopkins
Edouard
Joppy
Marquez
Bunema
Rios
Martinez
Cuevas...and a long list of other guys around this level while he was still building himself up.


Your assertion is so dumb, you should be banned from even thinking.

 

Jones was more of a draw than DM was, especially on PPV when he had a credible opponent and was certainly better known.

And neither was too keen on making the necessary concessions to make the fight. Thing is, DM had nothing Jones wanted. He was lineal in a time when Lineal was losing its luster (kinda like now) and Jones was unified and Ring. I think it's both their faults.

 

you may say well roy jones would of beaten him...of course he would, few people could out smart him or out skill him. jones was p4p before he got to light heavy so what
and once your p4p your whole bringing level increases...floyd mayweather has challenges coming out of his ears. becuase he is p4p. roy when he was p4p was the main attraction basicly and that makes making and breaking fights EASY as hell.

jones
at super middlewieght fought antoine byrd,james toney,vinny pazienza (former lightwieght) and tony thornton. all good to great super middlewieghts his wipe out of james toney was amazing. antoine byrd was a good fighter with alot of skills just didnt have the chin but had defence that could make up for it just was pounced on and destroyed, paz was very game but was just too small too lathargic and just got caught and caught again and again. tony thompson good fighter very high stamina and workrate just had very little punches only a jab a cross and a left hook to his name.


now those are some great wins but wait....only 1 guy was a titlst when he beat him only 3 world champions...so why are we disputing whethe rroy jones reign or joe calzaghes reign was better becuase really calzaghe takes this by a country mile.

 

"Now you tell me with a straight face that, other than Lacy and Mitchell (who was basically shot at that point), that isn't a really crappy lineup of fighters to be facing for a champion. It's not horrible on the level of Pong or Calderon, but that's 7 YEARS of facing only 2 guys who were top 5 contenders at the time he fought them. From '97 - '00, Calzaghe fought a respectable schedule, but he just hasn't since then."

But you conveniently chose the last 5 year period?

The point is Calzaghe should be top pvp fighter since 1997.

You may just look at Taylor or Wright who become pvp fighters just after one or two good
wins and it takes years to remove them form top 10 pvp list no matter they wins or lose.

If Calzaghe was from US he would became top pvp fighter in 1997-2000
and since he did not lost any one fight he would be moving up constantly.
He would be #1 right after he beat Lacy.

Not mention that his fight with Manfredo would be called another fight of the century.

 

You show me where we are comparing Jones reign to Calzaghe's reign and you will have an argument. You said this...

I think you're making a bit of a spin here if you are now trying to infer that you meant Jones SMW career as opposed to Calzaghe's. Jones had 12 fights at SMW only while Calzaghe has never fought anywhere else. You should have said SMW if you meant SMW. As it seems, you are now saying you are comparing Calzaghe's entire career to less than a 1/4th of Jones as a way of making a valid argument that Jones was somehow getting some kind of pass because he was American and thats why he was #1 P4P.

Your statement implies that you are taking about their careers as p4p fighters, not their SMW reigns.

 

I went since 2001, which is 7 years. I could go back less if you want, but it would only improve my argument. Why the heck would you go back 10 years? What does what someone did 10 years ago have any bearing on their ability to fight today? If we're looking back 10 years, then Roy Jones Jr. should still be P4P #1 :rofl

I can see where he might have gotten into the top 10 back in 2000, but his lack of doing anything to maintain the ranking means he probably would have dropped out of the top 10 by 2005. I can't think of an example of someone fighting nobodies for years and remaining a P4P fighter. People would have passed him over and pushed him back down.

OK, now I know you're yanking my leg.

 

Kessler (if/when he beats Calzaghe) will have accomplished more than Calzaghe has in his career. It's not being European that's the problem--it's fighting low-grade competition.

 

Noooooo, how come? I fell that if Calzaghe was american he would be nº1 PPV ( or PvP) because he would be seen both in America and in Wales. HBO could propose american citizenship for Joe and that would be a good business idea.

 

It's fascinating how some Calzaghe fans here insist that Americans are incapable of judging fighters' performances objectively. If you want to appreciate British fighters, why not look to guys like Hatton (better, more exciting fighter than Calzaghe, and who actually managed to fight for a linear title)?

I am baffled.

 

Jones lost brutaly 2x, Calzaghe not, that the difference. :deal

The point is: its harder lost pvp status than to get one, just look at Wright or Taylor.
The other point is: its harder get pvp status if you are not from US or fight in US.
If you combine both then it is obvious that if Calzage was US friendly he should become
top pvp fighter in years 1997-2000.

And since he did not lost any one fight (oposite to Jones) he would never be out of top 10 pvp.
Each new win, no mater what oposition he faced would give him constant increase in the ranks.
Finally the fight with Lacy which was already for ring belt would give Calzaghe also ring PVP #1 spot.

 

Why are people bringing up Jones' great resume? Of course Jones had a great resume is is the next best fighter of all time after Calzaghe.

I did a thread 12 months ago, at that time the number on the record of Calzaghe were superior to those on Mayweather's. I looked atthe records of his victims, victims victims. It was very in depth and proved, put the names aside, and Calzaghe's resume is superior to almost everyone.

Calzaghe's resume is vastly superior to Bernard Hopkins for example (especially in the last 5 years), fame of opponents aside.

People see Mayweather's win over Gatti as somehow better than Calzaghe's quicker, more ruthless destruction over the superior, prime Peter Manfredo.

 

Assume Taylor and Calzaghe vs Pavlik and Kessler.
If Kessler beats Calzaghe should he be higher at top pvp list than Pavlik?

 

Or undefeated.

 

Apart from a few fools from Manchester everyone has chosen to follow Calzaghe. He isn't particularly media friendly, so there is likely a good reason people rate him so much higher.

 

Who exactly would defeate him and when?