If Calzaghe was American he'd be #1PvP

No, if Calzaghe was American we'd see him as a fraud and call him out for ducking, not only from neighboring divisions but also from his own. Because he's from Wales his fanboys get to claim that everyone is "too skurred to cross the pond" to fight him.

Calzaghe may have been in the top 10 P4P in 1997-2000, but the lack of credible opposition following that would have bumped him back out. The other alternative is that being top 10 P4P would've made him fight a couple of legit contenders...something he seems to have avoided like the plague.

Who in most people's top 10 P4P list has stayed in it based on wins over inferior fighters? The only exception seems to be Joe Calzaghe, who, if he was American, would've gotten a #1 ranking after demolishing BIKA, MANFREDO, AND LACY.

Truth is that Calzaghe has an undeniably shitty resume, regardless of his undefeated status. he's made HOW many title defences, and HOW many have been against ranked contenders?

 

yeah, that win over tucker pudwill had me thinking the same thing

 

Have you missed out on how most American's treat a suspect resume, such as Taylor's for instance?

 

My argument is, it was easier for Taylor or Winky get to the top and is harder to remove them from there.
Only recently Joe have p4p recognision after .... he beat OVERHYPED Lacy.
How Lacy was overhyped? ... because he was US last line of defense.

So doesn't matter that Joe fought a few world champions before 2000.
The fight with overhyped by US media Lacy gave him proper p4p status.
Now the fight with Kessler may give him #2 spot or even #1 if Floyd and PAC lose next fight.

However if Calzage would have the same p4p status (as he have right now) before 2000,
then he should fight for top #1 or top #2 with Lacy back then ... not now.

 

That true - but he has stepped up finally -

 

No.

 

Very good post

 

That won't be a problem, because Kessler is worth much more than most fighters are, I am being unbiased in that also, really impressed with Kessler.

 

Sure and I am not trying to pump up a Calzaghe win, I really think this guy Kessler is something significant. If Kessler beat Calzaghe, I would not be sad.

He'd have to open up a new dimension, but all the better you know.

I just hope win or lose that he doesn't get ducked and avoided, his competition so far has been very good coming into this bout in my opinion, a lot of different styles and what not and to only lose 5-6 rounds total out of that...:yep

 

Yes, but in this bout, he needs the extra kick due to styles. Calzaghe's style disrupts Kessler's badly, Kessler can 'control' most other fights by simply controlling fight and this even goes for one of my current favourites Chad Dawson.

Everyone needs to forget about the Hopkins and the Tarvers, those old names are irrelevant to the true top fighters at their best, because those names are badly faded.

 

CHJ, just said that Manfredo is a better opponent than Gatti?

The Gatti fight was a joke, but Arturo was beating some pretty stiff competition, and has wins over legit guys, something that Manfredo has NEVER had.

Never.

..and it's not like I don't like Manfredo, I like him for what he is, and what he is isn't a top 10, or even top 15 level guy. He's a good B- level guy though, and he'll put up a good fight, but he'll always lose to elite and A level.

 

Hopkins at this point is not going to deal with a larger man than Wright who also has a workrate and is competent with timing. People romanticise about his victories because of his age, but any LHW who had issue's with Wright at 170 is not going to do well as SMW or LHW IMO, 42 or not.

Tarver's about to get bitched by Danny Green, what a laugh that'll be.:yep