If Canelo beats Bivol and Beterbiev?

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  1. Levook

    Levook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Having Canelo inside the top 50 of all time would be debatable - top 5?? Insanity.
     
    Levook, May 8, 2023
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  2. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree,,,and Canelo knows it too.
     
    Reinhardt, May 8, 2023
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  3. CroBox29

    CroBox29 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If he beats them, which he probably won't...
     
    CroBox29, May 9, 2023
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  4. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council banned Full Member

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    I love El Canelo but he cannot beat either guy.
     
    African Cobra, May 9, 2023
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  5. spravedlivylev

    spravedlivylev Haaaappy Neeeew Yeeeear! banned Full Member

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    Rummy will definitely agree on you that, but lol.
     
    spravedlivylev, May 17, 2023
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  6. CooperKupp

    CooperKupp “B.. but they all playin NBA basketball again!” Full Member

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    After getting away with a blatant robbery against Triple G and getting popped for Clenbuterol… We just can’t in good conscience put Saul’s ass anywhere NEAR the top 5!! It just doesn’t work that way. Even if he were to juice up and pay off the ref and judges to defeat Beterbiev and Bivol… we just CAN’T!!

    And to even think of putting Canelo in the same top 15 as Manny Pacquiao, Willie Pep and Duran???? Come on man. Stop.
     
    CooperKupp, May 17, 2023
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  7. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    if he beat both, i would probably put him in high 20s. and its doable. at elite level, you have the flexibility to employ a wide range of strategies. youve mastered the technical side, now you can craft any gameplan tailored to your best chances. and the right strategies can make the difference. is it a long shot, yes. but lower underdogs have pulled off bigger. im glad hes allowing us to watch him try. its better than watching him beat on a can cause he can.
     
    bandeedo, May 17, 2023
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  8. MismatchHypejob

    MismatchHypejob Active Member Full Member

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    Who is your top 5?
     
    MismatchHypejob, May 18, 2023
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  9. MAD_PIGE0N

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    If he beats both, he'll have one of the best resumes. Only that he can't.
     
    MAD_PIGE0N, May 18, 2023
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  10. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Only one of those guys belongs in the top ten.
     
    cuchulain, May 18, 2023
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  11. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    No.

    The only way he gets a W against Bivol is the way he got a D and a W against GGG.

    And that won't count much for legacy.

    And the only way he hears the final bell against Beterbiev is if he waits ten more years.

    And from their last outtings, Canelo is fading faster than Beterbiev.
     
    cuchulain, May 18, 2023
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  12. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Right now I would be inclined to go with Robinson, Armstrong, Greb, Langford, and Ezzard.
     
    Rumsfeld, May 19, 2023
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  13. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic Who is ready to suffer for Christ (the truth)? Full Member

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    If Canelo beats Bivol and Beterbiev, he would be IMO the best boxer of this century. Although there is little chance of him beating any of them at least in the LHW category.
    P.S. I don't count Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Manny Pacquiao in the competition, because they started boxing in the last century.
    P.S.S. I don't count Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Manny Pacquiao in the competition, because they started boxing in the last century.
     
    ikrasevic, May 19, 2023
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  14. velagod

    velagod Boxing Addict Full Member

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    rummy we’re would you rank beterbiev in your all time light heavyweight rankings if he was to beat bivol and canelo?
     
    velagod, May 19, 2023
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  15. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Tough to say. 175 has a really rich history of outstanding talents. If he did that, it would surely mark him the best of this era stretching the last several years. And while I tend to believe Beterbiev poses a threat to anyone in the division's rich history, in the grand scheme, I'd tend to believe he would still (at best) fall outside of the Top 15. But then again, theoretically becoming the first undisputedc champion at 175 in the modern 4-belt era, and becoming the first undisputed since at least Roy (and I would argue since Michael Spinks)... it would be mighty significant, in my view. But I still tend to think he would probably need to achieve a bit more to truly become a part of a borderline Top 10 discussion.
     
    Rumsfeld, May 19, 2023
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