If Canelo wins he is #1 of his era NO QUESTION

He wont get credit.

 

Let’s say he walks away with another robbery decision that everyone with eyes and a brain disagrees with. Does he still deserve the recognition because he “dared to be great”? Or does he have to win legitimately?

 

big if.

not much good writing threads like this when canelo will be picking his head off the canvas.

 

oh please you think your opinion matters? you been on canelos balls for years.. if I was a mod you wouldn't even have your account still that's how bad you are.

 

Is he though? I’m not trying to cause problems but if you look at it objectively how much risk is there truly?

1. Canelo showed he can take a punch as GGG who is heavy handed, landed several on him and he shook it off. Yes Kovalev hits harder but Canelo has shown a granite chin. Minimal risk fighting Kovalev vs GGG for a third time.
   
2. Since he most likely won’t be ko’d and since he has a history of judgements in his favor especially in Las Vegas, he will win a decision as long as his corpse is standing after round 12.
   
3. Kovalev was hand picked by Canelo and every odds maker is giving Canelo the win. These guys usually know more than the rest of us.

How much risk is there really?

 

Different circumstances.

Khan was a former LW who'd been iced before.

The fight should never have been made. Canelo should have been fighting GG at that point.

GG didn't offer Brook a C-W because Brook was a last minute replacement for Eubank. GG was just about to start camp, and Brook came in and agreed everything straight away in order to save the fight. And you can only give Brook huge credit for that. But he wasn't selected as an opponent in the way that Khan was.

Fighting Khan at any weight was easy for Canelo. Personally, I thought it was a joke.

 

You can't just compare him to Floyd.

You know how it works.

Age and ring age are 2 different things, and you can't do like for like comparisons.

Guys like Floyd aren't common.

Floyd was a consummate pro who looked after himself all year round. And he was fighting only once per year around that age.

Kovalev has just had a tough fight against Yarde where his corner nearly threw in the towel, and then he's had hardly any time to rest before he's had to go back into camp again. That is not beneficial to him.

I understand what you're saying, as in guys at an advanced age need to remain sharp, but the circumstances are different with Kovalev.

This fight would have been a lot bette for him had it been next month or early next year.

 

They announced Brook two months before they fought. They cut the deal even earlier so you can't really call it a last minute replacement.
GGG at that time could have fought a number of decent MWs. He wanted an easy touch against Brook same as Canelo did against Khan. Its the same situation.

 

How's things?

I see your point, but there shouldn't be a rehydration clause.

If Kovalev doesn't normally weigh above 185, there's no need for it.

Regarding the Yarde fight, I believe that they'd been negotiating for a long time before that fight was signed. The date kept getting pushed back. It took a long time until a date was set in Russia.

When Canelo's team enquired about the fight, everything had already been put in place and he didn't want to cancel his homecoming. I'm sure that's what happened.

Obviously it benefits Canelo more to have this fight take place so shortly after the Yarde fight.

Yes, you can put forward the argument that theoretically, Kovalev could get out of shape if he'd have had a significant break between the fights. That's more than possible. But IMHO, taking this fight tonight was too soon for him at this stage of his career. I don't see how it's beneficial.

 

Loma went after old shot salido who couldn't make weight and looked like skelletor at the weighins

 

Hiya pal, how's it going?

Who have you got tonight?

No, I don't agree with you that it was the same situation.

The date, venue and purse had already been agreed.

Yes, he could have tried to fight another MW, but he obviously wanted to keep the same date etc, and it was Hearn's promotion. So unless Eddie had put forward another credible MW to fight, Brook was the next best thing on such short notice. Brook came in and was happy to sign the contract straight away.

What was the point in GG cancelling or refusing the fight, to try and fight someone else?

Of course Brook was a soft touch. But you don't turn a guy down who wants to fight you when everything else has been agreed upon and you're ready to start camp.

He would have gained absolutely nothing from doing that.

Personally, I don't give him any credit at all for the win. It's Brook who I give credit too. But at the end of the day, GG flew here to fight Eubank not Brook.

If he'd have came here to fight Brook from the outset then that would be completely different. But he didn't.

What Canelo/Oscar did was completely different. They dodged GG in order to specifically fight Khan who was vulnerable and who'd been knocked out at the lower weights. Also, if they hadn't have done that, then GG would have fought Canelo instead of wanting to fight Eubank. So the circumstances were completely different.

 

Since his era overlaps that of Floyd Mayweather, no.

 

of course, give me an example of 2 situations that are exactly the same.

and canelo was a former welter who had also moved up.

thats a matter of opinion, one that both their bank accounts disagree with. and ggg should have maybe been testing the waters at 168, since the belts turned out to be not as important as we were first led to believe.

im sure there was enough time to include some type of concession to the handicapped fighter, it dont take long to print up a revised contract. the rest is all opinion.

i thought they both were jokes, if you like, i can pull up my predictions for both fights and you can see how well it lines up with what happened. and you can pull up yours so i can better appreciate your neutrality.

 

Hmmm pints 1 & 2 Oddone & oddly they have both come from GGG's ex trainer Abel Sanchez...

He said recently in a video interview about this upcoming fight , that Canelo is really difficult to hit & "They" never manged to land a clean shot on him?...So I'm not sure what he "Shook off "but it wasn't GGG's best.
Onto point number 2 ...Widely reported from & by Able that when Kovalev was regularily training at the Big Bear Gym with GGG that GGG has the harder punch & has the most power of the two...also he used tosay how Kovalev used to avoid sparring with GGG...
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