If Canelo wins he is #1 of his era NO QUESTION

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  1. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Good to see you around mate but there's a few errors in your post!!

    Golovkin took the place of Vargas , it wasn't a case of Brook taking Eubanks place cos Golovkin didn't have any date , venue or purse agreed to at all.
    They were still negotiating all that when suddenly , out of nowhere , GGG vs Brook was announced.
    GGG switched out Eubank for Brook mid-way through negotiations. He could have bailed out as soon the Eubank fight was dead in the water but he obviously wanted the easy touch against a welter weight.
     
  2. Richmondpete

    Richmondpete Real fighters do road work Full Member

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    But factually didn't lose to any of them
     
  3. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    Who has Canelo LEGITIMATELY beaten?? Not GGG ,
    Not Lara, certainly not Floyd despite Adalaide Byrd's ludicrous 114-114 & Trout deserved at least a draw
    Watch Canelo for low blows tonight mark my words
     
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  4. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    Do you believe Sergey Kovalev will get a level playing field tonight ?? Sorry but I sure dont. No one else has against Canelo to date
     
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  5. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    Perhaps if he stayed in his division forever and stacked up a long list of 100% hopeless bums you will appreciate him more. :lol:
     
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  6. Stefz

    Stefz Member Full Member

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    2nd Fight. His 2nd pro fight.
     
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  7. Oddone

    Oddone Bermane Stiverne's life coach. Full Member

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    Nice.
     
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  8. Goose

    Goose Russian oligarch Full Member

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    That's how you keep being a superstar, you pull strings and stack cards in your favor. Eventually all those things add up to a significant advantage. The ref they picked, the ring size, rehydration clause, fight date so close to Kovalevs previous fight.....Canelo is a ginger snake, like someone else so eloquently said.
     
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  9. kriszhao

    kriszhao Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Shadow argues that the Floud fight could he a draw... so yeah
     
  10. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    bandeedo,

    They weren't even remotely the same.

    Oscar didn't want Canelo to fight GG at that stage as he wanted him to fight Khan instead.

    GG then had the opportunity to keep busy and gain U.K. exposure by fighting Chris Eubank.

    He signed the contract to fight Eubank with everything agreed.

    After Eddie Hearn had lost patience with Eubank Snr, Hearn then presented Brook to GG as a late replacement, which GG agreed to.

    Does he get credit for the win?

    No. But why would he have declined the fight? It would have been nonsensical.

    Yes.

    He wasn't going to test the SMW waters at that stage when he was trying to negotiate to fight Canelo. As we know now, Oscar kept giving them the run around.

    It's not about a revised contract, it's about going into a camp and weighing in at a weight you're not used to on short notice. And if it wasn't proposed, why would he have offered it?

    Again, I don't give GG any credit for the win at all. But the circumstances were completely different. If he'd pursued Brook as the original opponent then that would have been a BS move. And if he'd have initially have pursued Brook as well as not offering a C-W, then it would have been even worse. But again, the circumstances were different, as Oscar put the GG fight on hold to pursue Khan, whereas GG accepted Brook as a replacement for Eubank.

    What GG did is not in any way the same as what Oscar did. And again, if Oscar had've agreed the fight with GG, then GG would never have agreed to fight Eubank in the first place.

    You can't say that the scenarios were the same just because both guys fought guys moving up. You have to look at the reasons behind it.

    You don't need my predictions do you.

    I think everybody had the same predictions.

    It was obvious how both fights were going to play out.
     
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  11. deyell

    deyell MOLECULE FROM HELL. Full Member

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    Look at this lying maggot making **** up as usual.
     
  12. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    What did you make of the fight last night mate?

    Yes, Eddie's original plan was to stage a Brook-Vargas fight. They were negotiating on and off for a while and Bramall Lane was one of the venues they were looking at. But after negotiations fell through, Hearn offered Eubank the chance to face GG in September at the O2.

    GG signed his contract but Eubank stalled on his, as Eubank Snr and his huge ego took over and made silly demands, which he later admitted were a mistake.

    GG didn't switch out Eubank for Brook, it was Hearn who lost patience with Eubank Snr and offered the same contract to Brook instead.

    I agree that GG could have bailed out. And again, he gets no credit for beating Brook. But why turn down £5m and the chance to gain U.K. exposure in a huge fight with everything set in place?

    The point is, Oscar selected Khan from the outset, whilst GG originally flew here to fight Eubank. So accepting Brook as replacement is not the same as what Oscar and Canelo did. The circumstances are very different. And again, if Oscar hadn't have messed GG around in the first place, then GG wouldn't have looked to fight either one of Eubank and Brook.

    Here's an article regarding Eubank Snr's demands:

    https://www.espn.co.uk/boxing/story...nnady-golovkin-fight-due-father-crazy-demands

    It's Eubank Jr who I feel for. Because even though he hasn't lived up to the hype, he's got a lot of heart.

    I believe that he'd have fought GG.
     
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  13. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Remember when Canelo vs Khan was suddenly announced out of nowhere? The deal for that fight was obviously being done out of the public eye , just because you didn't hear about it doesn't mean it was a done deal over night. . Nobody had any idea that fight was being made , its the same situation with Brook vs Golovkin.

    They were negotiation and making that fight possible long before it was announced. You can't take a showtime contract and hand it over to a HBO fighter and do a deal overnight. The networks change , the promoters and managers change. It would have been a completely different contract that would have had be drawn up.

    Hearn said trying to work out a deal between Showtime and HBO for Klitschko- Joshua was one of the hardest things he ever had to do. He said it took months of planning and negotiations.

    We all know how hard it is to make fights between guys on different networks. Showtime wouldn't have just passed Brook off to HBO at the drop of a hat. Common sense states that a deal for that fight was being worked out weeks before it was announced and Brook was already on Golovkins radar when he called him out earlier that year , to which Loefler responded wit interest.

    https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-news/what-kell-brook/52269

    What im trying to say is Golovkin didn't necessarily swap Eubank out , rather that Brook was always an option for Golovkin just as Eubank was , and wasn't a spur of the moment last minute decision.
     
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  14. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    Either the fight was fake, or Kovalev was dog****. If he was dog****, Canelo isn't #1. Simple as that.
     
  15. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    If "factually" means Canelo received gift wins over them They really beat him