If clinching was more harshly punished, how does HW history change?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by lufcrazy, Dec 11, 2016.


  1. Vic-

    Vic- New Member Full Member

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    I´m fine. Cool avatar, Monzon has that killer face in there !
     
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  2. Jon Saxon

    Jon Saxon Active Member Full Member

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    Hahahahaha Owned.
     
  3. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Owned hahahaha. I haven't got photographic memory you plank. It's not hard to watch a few Tyson fights yourself to discover Tyson wasn't a fighter that didn't clinch.
     
  4. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So it's ok if they don't do it for too long?
     
  5. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    I've told you exactly what my thoughts are. Genuinely not sure why it's hard for you to comprehend.

    Clinching should cost you the round. It is the most negative action in boxing.

    Take Frazier v Ali 2, would Ali have won that fight without clinching? Take Wlad v Haye, would Wlad have won that fight without clinching? Take Lewis v Holyfield, would Lewis have won that fight without clinching?

    If these fighters were forced to either keep a man at range or fight on the inside we would see a higher level of skill in the HW division.

    **** like "Wlad beats Rocky cos every time he gets past the jab he's just gonna get tied up" man it needs to stop.
     
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  6. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's part and parcel of the game when you have two men coming together in a fight. Clinching is nothing new, if you think Wlad is bad go take a look at Jack Johnson. Trying to police it properly would be a nightmare that's why refs prefer to let the fighters punch their way out of a clinch. Maybe a 3 second hold count could be introduced? If the fighters don't break in that time then the ref should automatically split them up.
     
  7. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    It doesn't have to be part and parcel. And it's not a night mare, judges just score it against the fighter.

    Watch Fenech v Nelson 1 and count the clinches.
     
  8. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So what if the fighters come together at near enough the same time? Who do we give the round to? Does the man who instigated the clinch lose the round or the man who lets go last?

    We can see now how judges make a pigs ear of their job, giving them the task to call rounds on clinching as well would be a nightmare Imo.
     
  9. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    I think for practicality this is what has been going on unofficially anyway. I think a refs tolerance to the clinch needs to be uniform. There is far too much selective tolerance toward the house, if you know what I mean.
     
  10. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Officially it IS that simple but the reality is something else.

    Richard Steele unhelpfully making famous his slogan "punch and get out" was his way of officiating. It was never correct.

    In Britain (where all the rules originate) the command of "Break" is used. Still the ref decides when to say it, but not observing the command provokes a warning and telling off.

    This is all very simple, but boxing being a business, refs offering more leeway have been in more demand than stickers to the rules.

    This is the problem.
     
  11. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    The man instigating clinches loses the round.

    I'm sure you'll ask me again to repeat what I've said for the last few posts.
     
  12. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Otimo, cara. Obrigado.
     
  13. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    Likewise, you should only low blow, head butt, or elbow when you are hurt.

    Fighters already have a recourse when they are hurt, don't want to be knocked out, and need a breather. They can take a knee. It costs one point.

    This part I agree with.
     
  14. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    I watched JMM v Diaz today. Juan Diaz was slated for not clinching when he shipped big punches.

    Taking a knee is a better idea, I like it.
     
  15. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    If he had clinched, it wouldn't have been fight of the year. There is a direct correlation between how enjoyable a fight is and how many clinches there are.