If Cotto 'quit' v Margo, why did Hatton not quit v PBF??

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  1. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    I don't know what his problem is.
     
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  2. Sinew

    Sinew The Assassin Full Member

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    Wow . I wouldnt have thought it out like this . Good post. :good But I will say this about Judah. He always wants to lose to his opponents twice:deal always asking for a rematch. After getting ko'd by zoo he still wanted to fight ( the ref ) .

    After Spinks.

    after Mayweather.

    and after that beating he took from Cotto he dared to say he would like a rematch:yikes Judah may not be a perfect fighter but i wouldnt say he wasnt a warrior.
     
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  3. Sinew

    Sinew The Assassin Full Member

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    Cotto did quit. But he is not a quitter. If he fights a tough fight again and does the same thing...Then I guess you could call him a quitter because he quits.

    1 time = quit

    2 time = quits = quitter- becoming a quitter for quitting because he quits.
     
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  4. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Good post. It's a simple concept that's seemingly too complicated for some people.
     
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  5. slamhound

    slamhound New Member Full Member

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    Woah! hold on a second. Hatton did not go down voluntarily.

    1st knock down: Hatton was hit on the chin, fell forward and hit his head right on the turnbuckle and rebound backwards and fell right on his back. He did NOT go down voluntarily.

    2nd knock down: Hatton was hit by a 2 punch combination while he was leaning against the rope, and fell down in a delayed reaction as he back away. He did NOT go down voluntarily.

    Whereas Cotto most definitely sat down voluntarily in his second and final KO. The first one- even though he took a knee- it could beargued that the body punch had put him down.
     
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  6. joe the great

    joe the great Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Let's see a Hatton-Cotto fight at 143.5. Yeah!
     
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  7. Stezzie

    Stezzie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Your right...he is stuck on stupid it's like he can post and use a computer so you wouldn't call him ******ed but after the first few words of his post you can clearly see he is lacking in the common sense department let alone reasoning...

    It's like if you put him in the ******ed class he would probably be the smartest one...but if you put him in with regular people then you will quickly see that he doesn't belong there. The boy is stuck in the middle...
     
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  8. DINAMITA

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    Where did I say it wasn't an excellent performance from PBF? You're defending against an attack that isn't being made. I thought Mayweather was ****ing magnificent that night, but what I'm saying is that he was dominantly outboxing Hatton, but it wasn't the same type of brutal beating that Cotto was taking from round 7 onwards.
     
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  9. DINAMITA

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    I'll make it really, really simple for you Reg, as you still have not confronted the very, very simple reality I've been trying to enlighten you to for too long now. And pay attention, as this is my penultimate ever post on this thread:

    Quit means to end, cease, or discontinue, as you yourself said.

    Evangelista Cotto waved the white flag, Kenny Bayless saw this and waved the fight off.

    So Miguel Cotto did not end, cease or discontinue anything.

    You are slandering a guy who was on his knee desperately trying to swallow his own blood, recover his senses, and survive the round. He should be admired for not lying down and taking a count in that horrific state, not be said to have quit a fight when he very clearly and very obviously did not make that decision.

    OK, only one more to go...
     
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  10. DINAMITA

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    It's a simple difference in opinion. I watch the end of the Hatton-Mayweather, and I believe Hatton comes off the ropes, dazed and in trouble, he senses Mayweather coming in for the final killer blow and goes down in a subconcious survival mode reflex defence action. This all happens in an instant, as do all reflex reactions. It is PARTIALLY due to the punches which have dazed him and weakened his legs, but not absolutely 100% involuntary because it is not the direct immediate effect of a punch knocking him off his feet, there is a split-second of recognition of the impending final attack where human nature kicks in and he goes down.
    In the case of Cotto, I see a man beaten to a pulp, in far far worse physical shape than Hatton and with far worse injuries after a far more gruelling fight where he absorbed far more punishment, on the brink of being knocked out, and when Margarito closes in, he knows that one punch will do it. Instead of going down on his back and being counted out as he could have done in the clinch right beforehand, right after he got up from the 1st knockdown, he instead also succumbs to this same subconcious survival mode reflex defence action. When he senses the final killer blow coming, he takes the only action left to him to avoid that, as he can no longer defend himself, he is gone. He tries desperately to summon up some strength and energy in the time he has got himself to recover, and then his uncle takes the decision out of his own hands.

    Is it right one man is ripped to bits for being a quitter, and the other man isn't? I don't think so. I believe neither man quit, as all they did was what they could to try and survive, and avoid being KO'd when they felt themselves on the brink of it. Neither should be called a quitter.

    I believe Hatton and Cotto are both brave, excellent fighters, and it is a disgrace to slander either man with these pathetic 'quit' slurs.

    That's me written my last word on it so say what you will.

    I quit!
     
    DINAMITA, Jul 31, 2008
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  11. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

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    Hatton fell, he didn't go down. He tried backing up and you can just see his leg doesn't respond to the brain signal and he goes down.
     
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  12. Sinew

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  13. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

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    You can clearly see that 2nd left hook at the end really hurt Hatton and Hatton was backing up but his legs weren't there.
     
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  14. Sinew

    Sinew The Assassin Full Member

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    More than that Eze. Merchant said that Hatton wasnt on steady legs after he got up after the intitial knockdown. Mayeather hits Hatton , Hatton goes to clinch. Mayweather trys to fight out of it . Begins to hit Hatton with two left hooks, a straight right , and then ANOTHER LEFT HOOK .

    It is then and there that Hatton tries to retreat:deal aka " fall back "

    where he stumbles on ALREADY SHAKY LEGS he is looking at Floyd.
    The ref grabs Mayweather and THEN HATTON FALLS DOWN.

    Why would Hatton quit after the ref intervenes? Of course he wouldnt because there is no need to. But some people ,...some people...

    someone... someone needs to scrap there screen name and start over so that they are not looked upon with great disdain!!!

    If someone said Cotto quit, just deal with it. Just because you get all butthurt over it is no reason to put us through all of these changes over something that clearly DID NOT HAPPEN .
     
    Sinew, Jul 31, 2008
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  15. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

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    Agree.

    Except I do believe Cotto quit. Cotto quit because he had nothing left.

    Not like Durans No Mas
     
    eze, Jul 31, 2008
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