If Cotto 'quit' v Margo, why did Hatton not quit v PBF??

The MMA analogy doesn't work at all. In boxing you are not allowed submission holds, so that is an even more absurd comparison than mine! The two things absolutely cannot be likened in any way.

Boxing is not a fight to the death. There are ways a fight can end that don't involve a man unable to stand up or a referee's intervention. If a man suffers an internal injury that is not immediately visible to the referee or has problems with his vision/sight, or anything of that nature, the fighter risking permenant damage should be allowed to end the contest without being labelled with the same word that is given when a guy with no such injuries simply turns away and decides he doesn't want to fight anymore.

Reg, LiamE, do you accept this? Whether you say the word 'quit' is being applied in a neutral way, it is still denoting intention/resignation on the man it is applied to, but I say if a man's injury or physical condition is such he genuinely cannot defend himself sufficiently, he should be absolved of this intention/resignation, he has not just chosen to end the contest because it is easier or less risky for him, he literally CANNOT fight on to an acceptable standard because of injury. That should not be called 'quitting', like No Mas, it should be considered an end on account of severe injury or physical impairment.

A technicality, but an important one, as the same word should not apply to Duran (No Mas) and Gerald McClennan (yes he went down for the contest to end, but there is a difference between quitting, and requiring an end to the contest because there is something wrong with you physically which means you know you are unfit to compete. How someone can say Vitali Klitschko quit against Byrd is beyond me. If he had come out and fought with one arm and had his face smashed in and risked permenant damage and the ref has stopped it with him in a bloody mess, then he wouldn't have quit. What sort of medieval barbaric insane logic is this? There MUST be a difference between a self-imposed restraint from competing due to physical impairment, and choosing to end the contest like No Mas).

 

"Just when he thought he was out, they pull him back in!!"

You're insatiable PACFAN! When will you give up? You say you're not a Cotto fan, and I believe you because you have never said anything that complimentary about his actual ability in this thread, and your quest seems to be more about the nature of quitting than Miguel Cotto himself, but why do you care so much about this topic? It must be said, excellent post.
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Went down on one knee to steal time to recover and survive, his corner knew he wouldn't be able to. Miguel Cotto did not force the ref to end the bout, his uncle did. Cold hard facts. Case closed.

 

That just simply is not true Dave. Evangelista Cotto looked at the state of Miguel, and jumped up on the apron with the white towel, and the referee must end the contest in that situation. If Miguel Cotto had wanted to end it, why did he get up, why did he stay up, why did he take a knee again? He could just have crumbled under an attack and got counted out. At least then he'd have been spared all this shite! And unless you are a mind-reader, there was NO request from Miguel to his uncle to end it. He looked to the corner, as many millions of fighters have done, looking for guidance/support/encouragement, he did NOT shout anything to his uncle, he did not make a clear gesture to tell him to wave the white flag, he just did not do that and I don't understand why you are saying he did do this, it doesn't make sense why it matters so much to you that you insist on something that did not happen. Anyway, I have tried to end this thread about ten times now, that honestly is my LAST word on the subject-

by the letter of the law, in cold concrete reality, as the record books and the history will show, Miguel Cotto DID NOT QUIT the fight.

See you dudes in another thread.