If Cotto 'quit' v Margo, why did Hatton not quit v PBF??

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by DINAMITA, Jul 30, 2008.


  1. BIG WORM

    BIG WORM Boxing Addict Full Member

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    ricky was basically unconsious, he fell down like he just passed out, he got up after the first knockdown then and was in autodrive, he was basically sleep walking all he did was walk forward half asleep, then floyd backed him up and hit him in the side of the head and then ricky collapsed.. u can tell by the way his whole body just flopped to the floor

    cotto was still thinking normal, he could have pushed himself more....

    cotto gave up coz it was the smartest thing to do he knew he was just gonna get more of a battering
     
  2. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Your example is ****. As a result, it ****s up your inteded argument. There is aboslutey no argument for saying that Hatton quit. You would have to be completely ******ed to try to do so. The same cannot be said for the Cotto fight. Surely you can see why using the Hatton fight in no way helps your argument for saying that Cotto didn't quit. The fights were too different.
     
  3. slapsSOgood

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    wow you do like to go on about things eh pacman? hatton got knocked out, cotto quit as he was done, which was the sensible thing to do and he has nothing to be ashamed about. hatton was on his arse, but cotto was on his knee (i.e. voluntary) so it's a **** comparison.
     
  4. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    You see, that's not what happened. He went down from a delayed reaction. In fact, the ref stepped in before he even fell. So why would the **** would he fall down to stop Floyd from inflicting further damage when the ref had already stepped in? Ricky was on ***** street and went down from that left hook.
     
  5. DINAMITA

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    How do you know?

    Hatton may have seen PBF coming at him and took a dive. We don't know.

    Cotto may have had blurred vision or been nearing semi-consciousness, and was only getting up to be immediately KO'd (he did get up remember) We don't know.

    As I don't know the physical condition of either man at the end, I don't label them quitters or anything else.
     
  6. LiamE

    LiamE Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If you go down because you cant stand up due to being punched, you lost.

    If you go down because you feel ill from swallowing blood, you quit.

    If you take a knee because you cant see the punches coming or you are too exhausted to defend yourself, you quit. (Sorry Gerald, but its true)

    If you go down from a body shot, you lose. If you take so many body shots that when not being hit you realise you cant continue, you quit.

    If you sustain a serious injury and do not continue, you quit.

    Its not nice and I'm not denigrating Cotto at all, but that is how it is. If you cant defend yourself its time to take a knee in my book, but some guys, the real warriors, just dont see it like that. The fighters like Lacy or Ali that fight on with a torn rotator cuff or broken jaw are the warriors, the ones that dont are the Quitchkos. I dont see quiting when you are clearly beat as a wholy bad thing, although some seem to. What doesnt fly with me is not giving your all before you quit. Cotto had clearly tried his best before he could do no more. Whether he quit or not is irrelevant to me. That is jsut a label for the ignorant. In much the same way although G-Man technically quit vs Benn clearly he could have done no more.

    As for the Hatton fight, its safe to assume from the refs reaction before he fell that he was no longer at the races. The ref could see his eyes, we couldnt. The fact that he jumped in to stop the action even before he fell tells me that he was on his way down.
     
  7. Sinew

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    No . I think your memory is falling short. Hatton got knocked down from a counter left hook ( he hit the turnbuckle and then fell down.

    THEN he got up and got hit MORE , the ref grabs Mayweather as Hatton falls backwards.

    What happened with Cotto was not the same thinga at all. He went down on a knee( conscious decison) got back up ,...backed his way into a corner and took a knee again; without getting hit .
     
  8. DINAMITA

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    Read my argument ******, not only do I not say Hatton quit, I actually clearly state he did not. The Hatton fight was stopped by the ref. Is that the reason him falling which was not the direct immediate result of a punch is not considered quitting? That's why I think the quit slur is wrong. If Bayless had waved it off when he took the 1st knee, Cotto wouldn't be seen as a quitter. It doesn't make sense. He is being criticizesd because he was trying to go on in the fight.
     
  9. DINAMITA

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    For ****s sake, it is NOT a comparison. I am saying that Hatton fell when it was not the direct result of a punch, but he is not considered to have quit coz the referee jumped in. Had Bayless made the decision instead of Evangelista Cotto, would Cotto then not be considered a quitter? You see how illogical and stupid it is?
     
  10. DINAMITA

    DINAMITA Guest

    I thought you weren't going to comment on my threads anymore? How I wish you had kept that promise after wasting valuable seconds reading more of your inane ****ing nonsense.

    Boxing isn't a duel to the death moron, go and watch UFC.

    If you sustain a serious injury and do not continue, you quit. - a perfect example of your rank stupidity. So by your logic if you get punched in the eyes and lose your sight and cannot fight on, you are a quitter?

    Please **** off back to wherever you were when you weren't commenting on my threads, and take your horrible medieval views with you.
     
  11. David_TheMan

    David_TheMan ESB Sage Full Member

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    Correct, because then he wouldn't have quit, the ref would have called the fight. It is extremely simple to see, I don't see why you have such a hard time understanding this.
     
  12. Chibuku

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    Cotto took a knee because he had enough beating.He didnt want anymore of that beating.His senses were intact.

    Hatton on the other hand didnt know where he was,he just rose up not because he wanted to fight,that was just a reflex action of an unconscious man.

    Hatton is not a quiter,he's a warrior,if his legs had not failed him he would have fought until the end.
     
  13. DINAMITA

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    One last time as you are clearly so violently ******ed this simple information cannot penetrate your incest-ridden thick skull:

    EVANGELISTA COTTO JUMPED UP ON THE ****ING RING APRON WITH A WHITE TOWEL IN HIS HAND. KENNY BAYLESS SAW HIM AND WAVED THE FIGHT OFF.

    Which part is it you didn't see when watching the fight, or don't understand now when it has been explained to you 8,000 times??
     
  14. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    You are clearly stuck on stupid. Not only DID Hatton go down from a punch(it was a delayed reaction, hopefully you're smart enough to know what this is), but the ref stepped in waived off the fight before Hatton fell. I know you're not saying either fighter quit. However, if you're trying to prove that Cotto didn't quit, this example doesn't help your argument. You might as well use the Jones/Tarver fight as an example, it's just as useless as using the Hatton fight. If you want to use another fight to prove your point, then you're going to need to find a fight that had a comparable ending to the Cotto fight, and where most people would agree that the loser didn't quit.
     
  15. DINAMITA

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    Bayless let Margo hit Cotto in the head when he was on one knee though.