If Cotto 'quit' v Margo, why did Hatton not quit v PBF??

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  1. DINAMITA

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    I agree. That is exactly what happened. Cheers.
     
  2. Sinew

    Sinew The Assassin Full Member

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    Thats a good point you got there. Maybe he is a quitter. Maybe if he found himself in the same situation he would do the same. He will have to cross that bridge when he gets to it.

    Cotto gave up. He quit. IMO he lost his hope of winning before the knockout. He fought and he tried to win , even after his body language suggested he COULD NOT WIN . He looked like he couldnt win a few rounds before, but he kept fighting until he could not take it anymore...

    Then at that point he had to give up and submit.
     
  3. DINAMITA

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    quitter
    noun

    1. One who quits.


    Don't try and use semantics to back out of your allegation. Quitting is giving up. If quitting doesn't make someone a quitter, what does??

     
  4. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    Cotto was simply successfully broken down by Margarito till he had nothing left to deliver and just couldn't handle the pressure nor counter anymore. The end was Margarito breaking Cotto down and finishing him off, it wasn't Cotto "quitting" that ended the fight.
     
  5. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Hey Pacfan, if you quit snorting cocaine are you a quitter? What about if you quit your job to take a higher paying job? A quitter is someone who gives up too easily, they have a pattern of quittiing. To quit is to simply give up. Simply quitting does not neccesarily make you a quitter as a pattern has to emerge.
     
  6. DINAMITA

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    More drivel. Guess what- snorting cocaine isn't the same as a job and any old job isn't the same as boxing. Pointless and worthless analogy. If you say someone quit then you are saying they are a quitter, it's clear-cut. I don't think he quit, I don't think he is a quitter. You say he quit, so even if you tip-toe around it or don't want to be seen saying it, if you say he quit then the implication is obvious that the man is a quitter. Have the courage of your convictions, or don't slander someone's reputation on a forum. Anyway, we could do this dance all night, we disagree, let's move on.
     
  7. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Debating with you is useless. You have been thoroughly owned in this thread. You have ignored strong evidence that have contradicted your point. Quite simply put, you don't know what you're talking about. Going by the definition of the word, one could make a strong argument that Cotto quit in that fight. Hell, Israel Vasquez quit in that first fight with Marquez. However, due to your ignorance and your insistence on viewing the word "quit" in a connotive sense instead of its denotation; you have incorrectly assumed that anyone who says that Cotto quit is trying to put him down or is dissrespecting him.
     
  8. DINAMITA

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    Ha ha, owned I was- if we choose to ignore the glaringly obvious fact that his uncle forced the referee to end the contest (which renders this whole debate meaningless as Miguel Cotto did not take part in the making of the decision itself, but rather than just keep stating a blunt fact, I tried to show how stupid the quit allegation is by showing how circumstances shaped many peoples views of Hatton and Cotto rather than their own actions, which is surely what every man should be judged on. I should've realized this was a bit ambitious and theoretical for sadist neanderthals who scream "quit!" when a man briefly bows to stunning pain and pressure).

    Your 'strong evidence' is basically just you sticking to your own personal opinion regarding Hatton's fall. I believe he was coming off the ropes and in survival mode, sensed a final killer blow from Mayweather coming, and went down. If the referee hadn't intervened just as this was happening, I believe Hatton went down to avoid this final killer blow, he was in survival mode, ie subconsciously reacting, reflex action to defend his own safety. I don't think he quit, I think the referee absolved him of responsibility. You don't think so. Great.

    And if you are trying to appear liberal and objective by ridiculously trying to pretend that the word 'quit' does not have a solid, definite negative implication, you have failed.
     
  9. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    His Uncle threw in the towel after Cotto took a volntary knee for the 2nd time in the round and then looked over at him. You could easily argue that he signaled for his uncle to waive the white flag. Either by the glance or his actions that clearly indicated that he didn't want to continue.


    Good luck finding anyone to agree with this asinine theory. Hatton was clearly out of it. He did not go down on purpose. His legs gave out for Christ sakes.

    You once again proved your ignorance. Never once did I say the word quit didn't have a negative implication(look up the word conotation, I used a form of the word in my previous post). In fact, I stated that you were clearly viewing the word in a conotive sense. However, people don't always use the word quit in a negative manner. The denotation(you may want to look this word up as well) of the word is neutral. It is how it is used that gives it a positive, negative, or neutral conotation.
     
  10. victor879

    victor879 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Boy some of you are really blind.

    Hatton fell down because he had NO LEGS... there is a difference between taking a knee and falling down because your legs are gone.

    Hatton was out on his feet.

    Cotto was just exhausted and wanted no more of Margarito.

    Fact is, Cotto is not as good as a lot of his crazy fans thought he was. Then again, they were heralding him as an ATG before he had ever beat a champion to take a belt, so it is easy to call him over-rated. (He still has never beat a reigning champion) Clearly the man has stamina issues and a suspect chin.
     
  11. DINAMITA

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    His Uncle threw in the towel - thank you. At least we agree Cotto didn't quit.

    He did not go down on purpose - I'm not saying he hurled himself to the floor like a dying swan, I think he was in survival mode, sensed a final killer blow, and nature/reflex took over and he did the only thing left to avoid attack. It wasn't the direct result of a punch, it wasn't 100% completely involuntary.

    Never once did I say the word quit didn't have a negative implication - I didn't say you did, it automatically has it whether you want to admit that or not. It really is ludicrous you could argue this point, to say someone "quit" isn't a negative statement? Laughable. Have the courage of your convictions or just don't slander someone.
     
  12. RealIzm

    RealIzm Boxing Junkie banned

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    all wrong here mate:-(
    Hatton got handed a thorough beatdown and ultimatly timed and KTFO. Hatton was never in it.
    Cotto dominated the fight, however didnt have the right strategy or tactics and was caught late in the fight...Cottos legs were gone as were Hattons, Hatton just got caught early in a thorough ownage, where as Cotto had tired himself doing what he thought was right, was winning, got caught, legs ruined, end of story......Cottos legs folded in the corner, despite his intentions they folded like Bambi on ice
    and theres plenty of time left to tell whether Cotto is as good as we thought he was
     
  13. Asterion

    Asterion Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He has beat Mosley (who is old but better than many beltholders) and also some guys who became beltholders. You cannot question Cotto's resume, it was on its way to become a great one.

    But he needs to become Lineal or unified Champion in some division.
     
  14. PaddyD1983

    PaddyD1983 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Stamina issues - yes

    Suspect chin - hell no!! Did you watch the fight? If you did then you will have seen the beating he took from rounds 7-11 which wore him down. There was no flash knockdown as a result of a dodgy chin!
     
  15. victor879

    victor879 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Cotto has never beat "the man" of ANY division he has been in. That is a fact.

    Mosley was not better than many beltholders at 147, sorry, but I will have to respectfully disagree with you. He was not better than Floyd, not better than Margarito, and not better than Williams. I think Quintana even gives an old Shane problems.