If Crawford beats Canelo he is the P4P Goat

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  1. Joeywill

    Joeywill Well-Known Member Full Member

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    People can lie through their teeth about some old fighter from the 40s but no one has ever come close to being the lightweight champion and then the super middle weight champion

    Canelo is still a world class champion (albeit past his prime)

    Crawford would be a

    5 division champion

    Best switch hitter ever

    Best timing ever

    Would have the best resume ever

    People on here will lie but the reality is no one in boxing history would compare to him
     
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  2. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    5 division champion = Yes but the only stand out win was Errol Spence to become Lineal and well....we all know about the car crashes and inactivity which takes some shine off the win

    Best switcher ever = No that would be Marvin Hagler.

    Best timing ever = Again no Mayweather clearly better.

    Would have the best resume ever = Not even close.
     
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  3. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

    Ioakeim Tzortzakis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Manny Pacquiao was a Flyweight champion who became a Super Welterweight champion.

    Sugar Ray Robinson beat the Lightweight champion in a non title bout because the latter didn't want to risk his title, became champ at Welterweight and Middleweight, and only lost against the Light Heavyweight champion due to a heat stroke, with the heat having already made the ref feint several rounds prior. He was way ahead on points otherwise.

    Henry Armstrong became Featherweight, Lightweight and Welterweight champ in the span of a year. He won the LW and WW titles against consensus top 10 ATG's at both weights. Then made a record breaking 19 title defences at Welterweight in merely 2 years.

    Terry McGovern became the Bantamweight, Featherweight and Lightweight champion in less than a single year. The Featherweight champion was considered the P4P GOAT at the time. It only took him 12 rounds total for all 3 championships

    Crawford is special. You have to be more than just special to be the GOAT.
     
  4. Joeywill

    Joeywill Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Crawford is better than Hagler

    People just have nostalgia
     
  5. Joeywill

    Joeywill Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Mayweathers timing isn't close to Crawford

    You are confusing counterpunching with timing

    Mayweather actually struggled with trading (timing)

    Mayweather liked to make guys miss and then counter

    Crawford trades which is what timing is

    Mayweather didn't time opponents

    He made them miss and pay
     
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  6. Joeywill

    Joeywill Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yes he would

    People just would never admit it

    The idea of the undisputed welterweight champion beating the undisputed super middle champion back in 2023 would've been viewed as ridiculous back then

    If someone said that Crawford would beat Canelo back in 2023 people would laugh at it

    It's only now that the fight is happening that people are downplaying it

    It's not like Canelo has lost or taken any serious punishment since then
     
  7. Joeywill

    Joeywill Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Pacquiao was never super middleweight champion .. 150 pound catchweights don't count. (not to mention obviously steroid use) . Also Pacquiao has many losses and poor performances.

    Robinson and Armstrong are great but they didn't beat someone like Canelo when they moved to their highest weight class
     
  8. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Then I suggest you need to watch more Mayweather fights.
     
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  9. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ok so he beats Canelo which would be a very good win but what about the other fighters on Crawford's resume ?

    How many of those fighters are considered hall of famers or greats ?

    I'll be waiting.
     
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  10. Joeywill

    Joeywill Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I've seen them all

    Basically

    You're misunderstanding what I mean by timing

    Mayweather doesn't trade

    He tried vs Chop Chop Corley

    It's not timing for him that works. It's speed, defense and reflexes. Followed by a counter.
     
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  11. Joeywill

    Joeywill Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Spence and Canelo. I think Porter might get in cause they are pretty lenient. Crawford beat who was available at 135 and 140. Yes it was a weak field but you can only beat who is available. Not like he's ducked anyone.
     
  12. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Mayweather doesn't trade ? I suggest you watch his fights vs Chavez, Ndou, and you're using the Corley fight as an example to discredit Mayweather ? when he won 12-0 including a knockdown ? Ok.
     
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  13. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Spence maybe Porter definitely not.

    So now you're saying he beat a weak field ? So how can he be considered the GOAT then ? When there's numerous fighters with better resumes ?

    The Canelo win would be very good and would enhance Crawford's standing definitely but does it make him the GOAT ? I don't think so.

    I don't see how it's any better than Leonard beating Hagler after a 3 year hiatus and Leonard has 2 other wins vs ATGs in Duran, Hearns, and another win vs a great in Benitez.

    So if you were to compare Leonard to Crawford in regards to their best wins....

    Leonard has 3 wins over ATGs Duran, Hagler, Hearns.

    1 win over a great in Benitez.

    If Crawford beats Canelo he has 1 win over an ATG.

    And 1 other very good win over Spence who I don't consider a great.

    There's no other fighters on Crawford's resume who I would consider very good or great.
     
  14. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

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    Go take a look at Barney Ross' record. He is a way greater fighter than Canelo. Armstrong beat him into retirement right in the middle of his prime at 29 years old.
     
  15. Devon

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    Counter punching is also timing, you have to time the miss, Mayweather just didn’t have great timing in mid range in the trades when swapping punches, but up close he could catch and shoot off of the shoulder which is timing, because you have to time your opponent’s miss.
     
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