If Cubans were allowed to fight in the past.

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  1. VG_Addict

    VG_Addict Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    How much would things have changed if Cubans had been allowed to fight during the 60s-90s? I know there have been several Cuban world champions, but what if more had been allowed to go pro?
     
  2. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Jose Napoles and LMR would've won titles of that i'm sure!
     
  3. Collie

    Collie Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Teofilo Stevenson vs Ali was often talked about as a great fight that never happened. Stevenson said of going pro 'What is a million dollars against eight million Cubans who love me?'
     
  4. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    Stevenson would have given Larry Holmes a great rival if Holmes had chosen not to duck him. Felix Savon would have picked up a version of the world title at some point.
     
  5. Azzer85

    Azzer85 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ali would still be the greatest
     
  6. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    The adjustment to the pace, the longer rounds, the investment to enable the required development to reach that level all takes time and finantial backing. Who is to say the established western profesional politics of world chamionship boxing and its fight centres would necessarily embrace cubans and Russians during the cold war?

    Amateur champions who have established themselves as greats within that code may have already spent too long as 3 round fighters. By the time an Olympian takes part in 3 or 4 games hes done anyway. There is no saying that the same 8 or 12 years would have been as productive as a pro without the grounding of one games like most champions of the pro code might have had?

    Teofilo Stevenson would have had to have turned pro after his first games to have been given a fair chance of making it as a pro champ, even then theres a lot to go wrong if you are not alighned with the right movers and shakers. To get near an aging Ali he would have to bypass or climb over a lot of great contenders like Lyle, Foreman, Norton, Frazier, shavers and co without any real proof that he could adapt to the required level.

    Likewise could an aging Ali adapt back to the 3 round code and win an olympics after so many years as a pro?
     
  7. Lord Tywin

    Lord Tywin Guest

    I agree. Ive never believed it was a given that Cuban amateur greats would be champions as pros. The amateurs and the pros got progressively different as time went by to the point where they are night and day now.
     
  8. Confucius

    Confucius Active Member Full Member

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    I agree with you and Tywin's subsequent post.
     
  9. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If no Castro, why would there be an amazing amateur programme? Cuba I suspect would of been like all the other Caribbean Countries as far as boxing went: The odd fighter of brilliance, but most that were any good would of gone to the States as youngsters.
     
  10. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    I expected this to be about time travel. :sad2

    Like, Solis vs. Sullivan or something.
     
  11. Anubis

    Anubis Boxing Addict

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    Chocolate, Gavilan, Rodriguez, Sugar Ramos and Napoles would have more HOF company. Luis competed in Havana as late as May 1960, and a rematch between Gene Fullmer and Florentino Fernandez for Gene's MW title was proposed for Havana before Castro outlawed professional boxing. Paret's death certainly didn't help the cause there. If Fernandez had somehow been awarded Gene's MW Title in Ogden on August 5, 1961, or if Benny had dethroned him in December 1961 to become a dual division champion, professional boxing in Cuba might have gotten a reprieve. [And Fernandez defending the MW Title against WW Champion Paret in Havana might have been too big a carrot even for Castro's regime to pass up in late 1961.]
     
  12. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Fat version against fat version, of course.
     
  13. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    ...though it might be a hoot to see prime amateur Solis vs. prime bare-knuckle Sullivan, under London Prize and/or modern amateur rule sets. :think