If Dawson can beat Ward, he can do what only Joe Calzaghe has done

ajackman1 · Sep 9, 2012

bailey said: ↑

I dont think Ward has done more at the same age even.

Calzaghe by that age had beaten

Woodhall mentioned above
Reid
Veit who became a SMW interim world champ
Sheika who was top 10 rated at the time and beat G Johnson
Starie who was top 10 rated and beat undefeated C Woods
Eubank who was a far greater win than any of Wards

So
Eubank greater than Kessler
Woodhall I would put above Froch. Froch was well past his best and slow and old when he fought ward, and had just come off a MDec over a 43 year old SMW journeyman that Sheika above beat. At that time Froch had never beaten a SMW champ.
Reid greater at SMW than Dawson

Think that shows you a bit of history
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Are you kidding me do you really believe Calzaghe did more than Ward at the same age ? . Wards win over Froch, Kessler, Dawson, Abraham. **** on Eubank, Woodhal, Reid, Sheika. Eubank weren't even a good win. Wards win over Froch, Dawson and Kessler. Eubank was past it, coming out of retirement and only took the fight at 10 days notice. Eubank then went on to lose his next fights. loooool how on earth is Woodhall better than Froch ??? Froch was way more proven that Woodhall, beat way better oppostion than Woodhall. Froch even has a better resume than Calzaghe. Froch was in his prime. If Froch was past his best like you claim why was he able to destroy Bute in his next fight after he faced Ward ? The Reid win is not better than Dawson. Dawson is a much better fighter than Reid. In fact Calzaghe was lucky to even beat Reid.
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bailey · Sep 9, 2012

conraddobler said: ↑

bailey, give it up. It's over. It's over. Ward is a young man in his prime. He's going to continue to win. Your argument (aside from being boring and unreadable) is increasingly a losing one. It's already a losing one.
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Top bit of debating there atsch

bailey · Sep 9, 2012

I notice how you dont answer the post counters and waffle on again without answering

ajackman1 said: ↑

Are you kidding me do you really believe Calzaghe did more than Ward at the same age ?
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You explain the difference here
Calzaghe by that age had beaten

Woodhall mentioned above
Reid
Veit who became a SMW interim world champ
Sheika who was top 10 rated at the time and beat G Johnson
Starie who was top 10 rated and beat undefeated C Woods
Eubank who was a far greater win than any of Wards

So
Eubank greater than Kessler
Woodhall I would put above Froch. Froch was well past his best and slow and old when he fought ward, and had just come off a MDec over a 43 year old SMW journeyman that Sheika above beat. At that time Froch had never beaten a SMW champ.
Reid greater at SMW than Dawson

Wards win over Froch, Kessler, Dawson, Abraham. **** on Eubank, Woodhal, Reid, Sheika. Eubank weren't even a good win.
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So Eubank wasnt a good win, but Kessler was. I have shown you how similar they are and Eubank has a better resume than all of them

Wards win over Froch, Dawson and Kessler. Eubank was past it, coming out of retirement
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Eubank had been more active than Kessler going into the Ward fight

Eubank then went on to lose his next fights.
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You dont note that Eubank went up to CW and challenged world champ Thompson losing a very close decision and then rematched Thompson losing on injury when ahead. Thats Thompson who years later past his best KOd D Haye.
Or how Eubank took that fight when not a CW and put weights in his pockets to weigh in heavier than he was. Forget all that?

loooool how on earth is Woodhall better than Froch ??? Froch was way more proven that Woodhall, beat way better oppostion than Woodhall.
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Ok to win a world title Froch beat a non rated fighter with no big SMW wins. Woodhall beat a world champ
Froch beat Taylor who was a MW who was 1-2 in his last 3 fights. Woodhall beat Catley who became a SMW world champ
Froch beat Dirrell who hadnt fought anyone at SMW and many felt he was lucky. Woodhall beat a world class world rated former SMW world champ

Froch never beat a SMW world champ at this time and went to Mdec to a fighter with more losses than wins at SMW, in old G Johnson who was a terrible SMW and had lost to Branco, who Woodhall beat by KO.

Different eras, but Froch would have been too slow and with too little a workrate to have beaten Woodhall

Froch even has a better resume than Calzaghe. Froch was in his prime. If Froch was past his best like you claim why was he able to destroy Bute in his next fight after he faced Ward ?
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Why? Bute has a poor chin and most felt he was KOd by Andrade years ago. If Hopkins was past his prime would he have been able to school Pavlik? Same thing

The Reid win is not better than Dawson.
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At SMW he was. What has Dawson done at SMW. Tell me and I will show you how Reid has done more at the weight

Dawson is a much better fighter than Reid. In fact Calzaghe was lucky to even beat Reid
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Calzaghe fought Reid with a damaged hand where he couldnt spar, had people putting glass in his food to get to him before reid and still won away. Something Ward hasnt shown he can do.

Ask yourself this. How could you not score rounds 2, 3, 4,7, 8 (
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), 12 to Calzaghe? Remember Reid had a point deducted also.

I thought like 2 judges that Calzaghe was a clear winner and except for McCrory who scored a draw and later seemed to agree all of the other studio guest scored wide for Calzaghe including Mcguigan and Eubank. I also think damaged handed (damaged his hand in round 4) Calzaghe won and felt he won rounds 1, 9 (Reid did land the punch of the night in round 9 though) & 11.

Good away win for Calzaghe

Reid wouldnt fight Calzaghe when he was champ

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WatchfortheHook · Sep 9, 2012

bailey said: ↑

Wards win over Froch wasnt as good as many of Calzaghes other wins like Mitchell, Reid and Lacy.

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How is Mitchell and, in particular, Lacy better wins than Froch?

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