If Dempsey Had Kod Tunney..?

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  1. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    .. If Gene had not being given the infamous Long Count?
    Tunney gets up and Jack follows through, knock s him down again and this time he's out.
    What then Iyo?
    A third fight?
    He retired?
    He fights someone else?
     
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  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Retires.

    He knew he was done I think.
     
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  3. Stiches Yarn

    Stiches Yarn Active Member Full Member

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    He might have continued to fight until somebody else comes out and takes the title away from him and beat him a second time in the rematch.
     
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  4. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This.
     
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  5. lone star

    lone star Active Member Full Member

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    He retires. Then it’s just like the real timeline. But after a couple of years probably gets offered a big payday against either Jack Sharkey or Max Schmeling whoever holds the title at the time. He was used to long periods of inactivity between fights so would think he can come back after a couple of years gap. But gets outpointed and retires for good. Everything else stays the same except he the first to regain it.
     
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  6. JWSoats

    JWSoats Active Member Full Member

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    This sounds very plausible. In real time he did embark on an ambitious exhibition tour in the early 30s, probably testing the waters to see if he could fight himself into condition and contention for a challenge at the title. In Max Schmeling's autobiography he tells of sparring with Dempsey when Max was champion and Dempsey rushing out and knocking him down. Evidently after meeting Kingfish Levinsky in an exhibition match in 1932 that did not go so well, the exhibition tour virtually ended. But then again in 1940 he boxed a couple exhibitions, scoring a KO over Cowboy Luttrell, so he didn't abandon the ring completely. In between he worked with Max Baer, and promoted fights. He kept an active interest in the sport, but I believe he knew that his championship days were behind him.
     
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  7. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    I can really imagine this happening.
     
  8. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    The roaring twenties would not be roaring, I do think that Jack Dempsey would have been held in a higher regard. And his restaurant would have been booming.
     
  9. Indefatigable

    Indefatigable Active Member banned Full Member

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    The long count, much like No Mas for Duran was the greatest thing to happen to Dempsey. The sorrow of the fans believing he was ripped off along with Jacks humble acceptance of his fate elevated him to a pantheon he never have reached.
    Just as Duran's quest for redemption superimposed vs Leonards deceptive and tricks raised Roberto in the end.
     
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  10. djanders

    djanders Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Or...something similar to what happened in Lewiston happens. Somebody tells the referee that Tunney was counted out by the Time Keeper and the Referee declares Dempsey the winner by knockout.

    In that case, I think it would be money offers that would dictate what Jack does from there. If there was a big money fight available, I think Jack would have convinced himself that he could get back into prime form for it. I doubt if there would have been a Tunney - Dempsey 3. I don't see big bucks available for Sharkey either. Maybe Schmeling eventually. Or maybe they could have found a promoter to get Dempsey - Wills together finally, assuming they could get that done before Wills fought Sharkey.
     
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  11. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Dempsey V Wills?? Not sure at that point if Jack doesn't actually get stopped.
     
  12. lone star

    lone star Active Member Full Member

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    I doubt it. Around this time Wills was stopped by Paulino Uskadon(pardon the spelling). He was past his prime. I think if they fought Dempsey has enough to stop Wills but gets nothing out of this fight as it’s years from when it should of happened. Anyway Jack wouldn’t get any financial or other incentive to fight Wills.
     
  13. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Point taken. Not sure Jack would actually fight him.
    If they did fight tho, I believe it's the actual duration of the fight that matters. Dempsey could maybe stop him or even out point him if it's 10 rounds. But if we're talking 15 or up, then I see Dempsey floundering.