If Emanuel Steward had trained Wilder, Do you think he could have been an ATG?

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  1. Power_tek

    Power_tek Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah he took him to court for spiking his drinks in camp.
    He was happy to lie and throw someone under the bus for his own deficiencies knowing it could ruin his coach’s reputation and career,
    Classless is pretty generous for him, despicable human
     
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  2. Kev2k83

    Kev2k83 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wilder would be better off going back to being wild and unpredictable.

    This trying to be a better boxer just doesn't work for him.

    Back to the windmill machine for him hahaha.
     
  3. Absolutely!

    Absolutely! Fabulous, darling! Full Member

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    Wilder is low iq and stubborn in the gym. It doesn't matter who trains him coz he always thinks he knows best. That Jay Deas guy did miracles getting Wilder to where he's at. No one else has been able to teach him a damn thing. Steward probably knew this and didn't go near Wilder with a ten foot barge pole. Why would he waste his time only to get thrown under the bus when Wilder lost? Wilder is ungrateful and unwilling to accept the blame for anything he does wrong. Not even a good hiding made him change his ways.
     
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  4. bjl12

    bjl12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    And that doesn't even include how Wilder said he wanted to "take a body".

    Not a fan today and was never a fan. Took longer than it should've for him to be KTFO and wholly outboxed but it was an inevitable path of self destruction.
     
  5. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No. It would only have lasted about a week and Steward would have dumped him for his shitty attitude.
     
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  6. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    Steward would have wanted to work with someone like Tyson Fury or Anthony Joshua. Not a wild crude one trick pony like Wilder. So no.... Definitely not. Too many flaws to iron out.
     
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  7. snake33

    snake33 Active Member Full Member

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    Manny wouldn't have taken on Wilder because Wilder either doesn't want to learn or does not have the capacity to learn.
    Lennox and Wlad were able to adapt and succeed with Manny. Wlad wasn't the same after Manny. OK but not the same.
     
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  8. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic Who is ready to suffer for Christ (the truth)? Full Member

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    With such legs - no!
    Let's just say that Steward managed to bring Wilder's technique to near perfection.
    What next; and Wilder's chin is debatable. But first of all when you get hit you need something to keep you on your feet, so I repeat:
    With such legs - no!
     
  9. Justchris17

    Justchris17 Member Full Member

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    When does steward become his coach when he turns pro or as a young kid/adult?

    wilder started late and still went to Olympics and become a world champ despite his limitations. If he achieved this with his limited skill set imagine what he would have achieved with a lifetime of expert tuition and coaching. That goes for any gifted athletic human.
     
  10. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    A good trainer can deal with that.There is a quote in million dollar baby that is 100% true, every boxer thinks that he knows better than his trainer. EVERY single one of them.

    PS: This is the exact quote, btw. The truth and nothing but the truth:

    Every single fighter amateur or pro at any moment will think like that. He will think "I know better than him". 100% sure, I gurantee that. And that's something, as I said, that a good trainer has to be able to deal with. I'm sure too that it would not be something new at all for such a good trainer as Steward, he probably has dealt with that situation with his boxers more times than we can count.
     
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  11. Justchris17

    Justchris17 Member Full Member

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    his team probably convinced him he was a god and unbeatable as his delusion was off the scale there’s no way his team didn’t play a part in this as no one told him to wind his neck in
     
  12. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    I think if ES had gotten DW around 14, it would be a very good possibility that DW could have been an ATG heavyweight.
     
  13. SmackDaBum

    SmackDaBum TKO7 banned Full Member

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    If Mark Breland or Malic Scott coulndt learn Wilder how to throw a jab how would Steward learn him to be an ATG? Maybe in Alabama.
     
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  14. ILikeBoxingForRealz

    ILikeBoxingForRealz Active Member Full Member

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    This right here. He is uncoachable and it’s very obvious. After the 2nd Fury fight, and hell even after the 1st, he had adjustments that needed to be made. And to his credit, beginning of fight 2 he was using the jab to the body quite often mixing in a right hand there as well. But after round 1 he said f it. Stewart would have been eventually blamed and fired at some point
     
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  15. CooperKupp

    CooperKupp “B.. but they all playin NBA basketball again!” Full Member

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    I know Steward liked to train the tall rangy fighters… but imagine Usyk with two or three years under Stewards tutelage. I can see Emanuel really focusing on Usyk’s left hook and getting more power out of it. I think that’s a very underrated shot in Usyk’s arsenal.