If Erik Morales had ducked MAB he would have made 18 successful title defenses in a row

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  1. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Think about that. Across the the 122 to 130 pound divisions. Morales had he ducked MAB would have made about 18 consecutive world title defenses. But he lost to Barrera twice.

    Having too much nuts damaged his on paper legacy. By facing a guy who was really good and could beat him.

    This is why I can't rate Hopkins over Morales. Because Bernard lost to Jones Jr wide. Didn't rematch him until Jones was 700 years old. And ducked James Joney. While making his defenses against Robert Allen and John David Jackson.
     
  2. pincai

    pincai The Indonesian Thin Man Full Member

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    I do not care too much about Hopkins number of defenses, however he did unified the division and beat Tito and delahoya. His legendary status comes from being the man in 2 traditional weight class and fighting till his 50s.
    Without the mab trilogy, morales might not be refered as much as he is today. I don't know who rank higher all time sense, but I know who my all time favourite is. El terriblee.
     
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  3. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    If Hopkins had beaten either Toney or Jones Jr I'd rank him higher than Morales. But he never did.
     
  4. pincai

    pincai The Indonesian Thin Man Full Member

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    I have no problem with that, but I have a feeling others will be different.
     
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  5. Flamazide

    Flamazide Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    If Morales ducked the tough fights then he wouldn't wouldn't be Morales I don't think.
     
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  6. TheyDontBoxNoMore7

    TheyDontBoxNoMore7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Bhop definitely ranks higher than MAB. Sorry. This is why I think too many "entertaining" guys get overblown. Winky Wright, Oscar, Tito, Pavlik, Pascal, Tarver, Joppy, throw in guys he made irrelevant like Tavoris and Shumenov and this guy was doing these guys in as a 40 borderline 50 year old. Can't do it. Have to disagree.

    I would give Morales more credit if he moved up earlier in his career being 5'8. His style kept him grounded in lower weight classes as he could take punches better from smaller men.
     
  7. ZODIUS!!!

    ZODIUS!!! The certified boss banned Full Member

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    So you condone ducking
     
  8. pincai

    pincai The Indonesian Thin Man Full Member

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    I am incline to agree. However guys like Zaragoza, junior jones , Barrera, kevin kelly, pacman are comparable to Hopkins middleweight resume. I thought Hopkins only pull through with his lightheavyweight resume.
     
  9. Odins beard

    Odins beard Fentanyl is one hell of a drug.... Full Member

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    How dare anyone use the word Morales and ducking in the same sentence....
     
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  10. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    Not only that, but Morales would have been 50-0 if he'd ducked Barrera. When he beat Pacquiao his record was 48-2, 3-weight champ, with both losses to his arch rival Barrera.
     
  11. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    Seriously? You're going to use this as a reason to prefer BHop to Morales? BHop moved down two weight classes for a decade, moved back up to his natural weight when he got old and couldn't make the massive weight cut anymore. He was huge for middleweight, and had probably 3 inches on almost all of his opponents there. He probably only moved back to light heavyweight so he could mask taking his roids better.
     
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  12. TheyDontBoxNoMore7

    TheyDontBoxNoMore7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Morales is taller than Cotto, Floyd and Manny, a number of WW. If he fought guys his size, we wouldn't be talking about him. Bhop is still active today. Morales was done after Raheem who exposed he could easily get out boxed. After that he killed himself cutting weight and the rest is history.
     
  13. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    Loved that guy!!! Great fighter, great heart and tough as they come.
     
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  14. Enigmadanks

    Enigmadanks Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hopkins-Jones Jr was essentially May-Pac as far as procrastination for a superfight. Those men should've met up around 2002 but they were both being very stingy with their negotiation tactics (Roy wanted the bigger split, and since he did hold a win already over B-Hop, he probably should've got the 60-40 cut.)

    I think what would've been more interesting is if Morales never met up with Manny or Barrera for so many fights, how much longer he would've been a dominant fighter in general. Those 3 men should be commended for continuing to take each other on and effectively shorten their careers from those wars.