If Floyd beats up Marquez and brutally KO's him

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He would have been crucified at the time because Pacquaio hadn't proven at the time that his attributes would carry effectively up to Welterweight, just as DLH was critiqued for fighting Pacman, and just as Floyd as now catching heat for fighting Marquez. And Marquez is regarded as having much less a chance than Pacquaio did due to his smaller frame/lesser athleticism and the fact that Floyd is a much better fighter than Oscar and probably won't have too many issues making (probably) 144.

And the problem with the Floyd camp's overtures to Mosley is that for the most part Mosley did have bigger fish to fry. When Floyd was calling him out at the lower weights, Mosley went up in weight to fight the better regarded/bigger payday in DLH at the time, and more recently Mosley basically had to wait on DLH to make a decision on whether he'd rematch Floyd or not, which Floyd knew. On the flipside, Floyd has had several chances to fight Shane when Shane has expressed interest in fighting him, hasn't had a real excuse, it's a fight the fans want to see, and Floyd hasn't made it happen.

In terms of Williams, the fight doesn't make any sense from a monetary standpoint, so nobody really thought Floyd would make that fight. It would have earned Floyd some respect if he had made it regardless, since it would have indicated that he's willing to fight the best for legacy. However, both Cotto and Mosley have been available for years, and Floyd hasn't made those fights happen. Margarito he could have easily fought over Baldomir and that didn't happen.

For Hatton, having just beaten DLH, Floyd could have taken Mosley or Cotto instead, which more wanted to see happen. Floyd was a strong favorite by most to beat Hatton beforehand given Hatton's performance against Collazo at 147 and Floyd beating Oscar. It would have been less money, but again, better legacy.

And I think what most desire of Floyd is simply for him to fight the best opposition available or stop talking about how he'd beat said opposition easily without making the fights. His persona does play a role in things, I agree, but most of that problem is on Floyd himself. He considers himself the best and says so constantly, but he's got to prove it in the ring if he seriously wants other people to think the same thing. He's not meeting the standard of competition necessary to do that, so he catches hate. And saying that other fighters would do the same thing in his position is true in some cases, but not all. Ali's resume is filled with guys he could have avoided, but didn't. Hearns the same deal. Mosley didn't have to face Winky Wright or Forrest but he did. For all his faults, DLH didn't have to take a chance against Hopkins. Marquez himself is taking a huge chance fighting Floyd that nobody demanded of him. There are plenty of other examples like this.

 

NO HE COULD NOT have EASILY fought that friggin cheater. Please be quiet with that NONSENSE. Why would you do a job for someone again after that person didn't pay you for the previous job?? Explain that to me??

I addressed all this in a previous post.

 

That's a big bull****! No way FLOYD can KO MARQUEZ and vice versa. This is a scripted fight, FLOYD winning by SD. so that even though MARRQUEZ loses, he is still marketable. They're comlementing each other and obviously this is just a mere sparring via PPV. :hat

 

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You're stupid if you think Floyd can't KO JMM.

What is wrong with you?:think

 

Obviously, you're DUMB. You need to go back to grade school, you have a comprehension problem. :hat

 

You're right.

 

This is the stupidest thread so far.

If Mayweather would not KO Marquez, what would make him look like???? Picking a 135 pounder who seemed lately to be open to many punches (just watch Diaz, Casa fights) to be a showcase of his skill.

Mayweather fought as high as 154 although against past-it Dela Hoya, but still that was 154. JMM fought Casa at 135, who is way past it already.

I will be more pissed if he does not KO JMM which simply means that he is back to potshotting or POTSHITTING again despite his announcement that he will display his offensive weapons.

 

True dat!

 

And based on your statement, there would not be a firework therefore, no knockdowns.

What would Mayweather look like then? Pac and JMM fought at 130 with 4 knockdowns and so much drama that people are still talikng about it. And Mayweather, who is supposedly the bigger and more skilled in relation to Pac, would not be able to even produce a KD.

People are talikng about how Pac was more comprehensive and devastating against common oipponents, namely Hatton and ODLH relative to Mayweather. With May's ego, would you think that he will be upstage again against JMM.

He wants to be recognized to be the greatest ever. Failing to KO JMM is a mark against that super-inflated ego of his.

I will not forgive him if he fails to KO JMM. He picked a much smaller opponent and so you expect him to KO him. If Diaz had power in his punches, he could have KOed JMM.

 

Floyd fought at 130 too.

Most of his 39 fights are at 130 and 135.

People forget that.

The reason Mayweather can fight at higher weights than JMM is not because he's that much bigger..but because he has defense JMM could only dream of.

 

No, Void is naturally bigger. Look at his frame.

 

The reason why he is at 147 is because Mayweather is stocky fellow (or diplomatically, he has big bone structure).

If he is comfortable at 130-`135, why ask then a fighter who barely wet his toes in 135 to go to welterweight.

Mayweather is actually in a "dilemna" category because he can not fight at 130-140 yet the guys at 147 to 154 are way bigger than he is. Same situation with Cotto now. Imasgine Margarito, Williams.

Most of the fighters he fought at the "higher" weights were handpicked. Baldomir, Gatti, ODLH were not exactly the cream of the crop in those divisions.

 

He could have made a fight with Mosley or Pacquaio instead of Marquez, and Shane would have been the easiest to make in all likelihood since there would be much tougher negotiations for a Pac fight. There was nothing stopping him from doing so. He could have also made that fight instead of the Hatton fight back in 2007, or fought Cotto back then. Could have fought Margarito or Shane instead of Baldomir. Whereas when Shane could have made fights with Floyd, he didn't because either he actually had better opponents to face in the case of prime DLH or because he had to wait on his boss in Hoya to decide if he'd rematch Floyd or not.

And the reason for Floyd to do it is obvious, it would be very beneficial to him financially and if he won, a great boost for his legacy. He would have also garnered praise for taking on that caliber of opponent in general. Instead, he's getting absolutely roasted in interviews, online press, and by the general boxing public for fighting Marquez when he could have made better matchups. The sales of JMM vs Floyd are by most accounts, not going so hot, a problem he wouldn't have encountered facing Pac or Mosley I imagine. If the PPV numbers show up in the same manner, one of the major factors Floyd uses for his self-promotion, his drawing power, goes down the tubes.

Lastly, on your Margarito point, to clarify something, I don't have any love for Margarito for obvious reasons. But there is a big difference between Margarito's size and Baldomir's, and a big difference in attributes between the two. Baldomir was physically big and strong, but not a hard puncher, and in terms of length he wasn't as large as even Floyd was, he was also very slow with limited skills. In short, he had nothing but size without length and toughness that threatened Floyd, which is why again, nobody wanted to see that fight either when it was made. Margarito isn't any great shakes from a skills standpoint himself, but he is much bigger in both physical size and length, and possessed the threatening power(which we now know was artificial) and relentless punching style that made that fight much more desirable for the fans. And on Mosley beating Margarito meaning that Floyd would have as well, you can make a case for Floyd making a gameplan and beating anyone out there, but it means nothing if he doesn't prove it in the ring, and as Roger said, styles makes fights. Floyd does not fight like Mosley. A fight between him and Margarito would be a different affair. Doesn't mean that Floyd couldn't beat him, but what he's failed to do thus far past 140, is prove that he can beat that level of opposition by making it happen in the ring. That ideally, is supposed to be more important than just money, but it doesn't seem to be the case with Floyd. Had he fought and beaten Margarito, he would have gotten the same money, but infinitely more respect and severely hurt the stock of one of Arum's cash cow fighters.