If Floyd fought in the 50's and 60's how would he have faired

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  1. larryx2012

    larryx2012 I AM BETTER THEN YOU Full Member

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    With the talent he has now if he fought from lightweight to ww how would he have faired
     
  2. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    He'd always be a stand out talent, though it's hard to say how long he could keep a belt in a stronger and busier eras. Who knows how his hands hold up as well?

    He'd make for real good fights with Napoles from 135-147 in the 60's. I'd expect him to lose that match up more often than not though, but still.
     
  3. Johnstown

    Johnstown Boxing Addict banned

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    cobra makes a good point about his hands..plus he wouldnt have all the modern shots he used on them either.
     
  4. MagnaNasakki

    MagnaNasakki Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Floyd at 130-135 can hang with any fighter in those weight classes that has ever fought. ATG technician, quick, and at those weights, rather powerful.

    The higher he goes, though, the harder it gets. He's not a strong welterweight; He also slowed noticeably. He's winning fights on skills and pluck, but he's hasn't been doing so against absolutely stellar opposition. The Cotto win is impressive, as is the DLH and Mosley win, but Baldomir was miles too crude and too slow, Judah is really Mayweather's size, Mitchell was a stepping stone above his best....

    Floyd would struggle against true ATG welterweights. He'd be a step behind them, and he could be bullied.

    At 130-135, he'd be consistently top 5, and be winning a vast majority of his fights.
     
  5. tliang1000

    tliang1000 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Floyd fought well over 200 fights with amatuer included. His hands took a toll rising to the top. Assuming he doesn't have hand problems he would've dominated those eras where they fight a cab driver every other week. And would be considered as goat to due the high number of "pro" fights.

    On ESB
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    Classic = top 10 ATG and can't be touched or argued
     
  6. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Floyd fought 90 amateur fights. Even added together.that's a lot less than 200.
     
  7. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    He would lose eventually, Id be interested to know how he dealt with that.
     
  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    That's the key for me. He'd have some adaptions to make for sure. If his hands held up/he could adapt (which is unknown) he'd absolutely excell. If his hands didn't hold up he wouldn't. Flea would rate him higher though :D
     
  9. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    He definitely doesn't dominate. He fights more and picks up some losses. He doesn't have access to the "modern training methods" which give him 15 pounds of extra muscle and stays a lightweight or welterweight his whole career.

    The welterweights that would trouble him in the 50s include Kid Gavilan, Billy Graham, Johnny Saxton, Gil Turner, Carmen Basilio, and Gaspar Ortega. In the 60s he'd need to fight Emile Griffith, Benny Parret, Luis Manuel Rodriguez, Curtis Cokes, and Jose Napoles.

    The lightweights he'd have to contend with in the 50s are Jimmy Carter, Joe Brown, Carlos Ortiz, then in the 60s Ortiz again, Flash Elorde, Nicolino Locche, and Ken Buchanan.

    Ortiz and Locche aside I think he does much better as a lightweight. But a Floyd/Locche match would have to be the dullest fight ever. Imagine two guys feinting and dodging at each other for fifteen rounds.
     
  10. anj

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    I only see him losing to one man out of all in that era: Jose Napoles.
    Can he beat Carlos Ortiz? Maybe, I'm really not sure. Carlos Ortiz beat Locche (yes he did), but Mayweather is better than Locche.

    Locche is not powerful enough against Mayweather, Mayweather would damage Locche.

    I think the others like Galivan simply have no answer for the skill level of Mayweather, even if their styles are a little awkward for Mayweather.

    The only people Mayweather will lose to in history in those weights:
    SRR
    Hearns
    Whitaker
    Maybe Benitez
    S.R.Leonard
    Napoles
    Prime ODLH