If Floyd isn't the draw vs Pacman, why is everyone calling for the fight?

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  1. BizarroRJJ

    BizarroRJJ Active Member Full Member

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    Look, Im a Pac fan and dont particularly care for Floyds personality or fight style. However, what I do recognize is that his boxing skills are superior and he knows how to market himself. Theres a reason when you take the Pac/Floyd common opponents, that Floyd has the greater PPV numbers by far. Everyone is saying it should be 50-50, but should it really? Only if your a Pac fan do you want it split evenly. But from a business perspective (which Floyd usually operates from), Floyd should get the greater share just based on the numbers he does. People are throwing far too much emotion into the business component of this match. So many people have a dislike for Floyd, they think that he should only be entitled to the 50-50 split.

    And again, if Floyd isnt the draw, why all the interest in a fight with Floyd? Why not Pac go on and fight Mosley and do 2 million PPV buys? Because it wont happen. You need Floyd for those numbers. And judging by past fights, Floyd really doesnt need Pac for those numbers. We just saw Floyd post over 1 mil PPV buys against JMM, where most felt it was a mismatch which it ended up being. You tell me what other fighter out there can put on a PPV mismatch and have a "boring" fight style, and still draw over 1 mil PPV buys? Sorry, maybe Ive drank the juice now after reading numerous posts on this subject, but I do agree with the Floyd side concerning the $$$, even though I want Pac to kick his ass.

    Floyd NEEDS Pac for legacy, Pac WANTS Floyd for the big money fight. Pacs legacy is set, since when does Mayweather care about legacy and not $$$? This fight WONT happen at 50-50 if it gets made.
     
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  2. Vitor Belfort

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    Cuz they're 2 of the best fighter in the world today:patsch so everyone wants to see this fight to see who's the best? The current # 1 P4P vs the former # 1 P4P is why everyone wants to see this fight. Pac is just as big as floyd.
     
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  3. BizarroRJJ

    BizarroRJJ Active Member Full Member

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    Pac just as big as Floyd concerning his status as a great boxer and P4P numero uno, but not just as big as Floyd concerning the $$$ he brings in. Floyd never fought to be the P4P greatest, he fought for $$$ and keeps winning, and that title came secondary to that. If he was out to be the greatest, his resume would be alot deeper then it is.
     
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  4. Rudyard

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  5. jawbreaker

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    There are two types of people who are going to buy this fight. Those who want to see Floyd win and those that want to see Floyd lose. Either way it all about PBF.
     
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  6. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Why does everyone keep bringing up the common opponents theory...? Honestly, the fights happened at different times, different economies at different point in their careers.

    The JMM fight is non comparable, you cant seriously compare Pac before fighting ODLH & Hatton's popularity to his popularity today? Their closest comparison was the Hatton fight, even though Hatton already lost his undefeated record, Pac only did around 75k less...and that was with the economy at its worse too.

    Floyd did 1mil against JMM because 1) They reportedly spent 13mil on promotion alone, much more than any Pac fight outside Oscar, 2) It was about 6months promotion non stop, 3) JMM through his wins at LW and the guy having given the now ever so popular Pacquiao his toughest fight was growing in popularity, 4) Mexico's best fighter conveniently fighting on mexican independance day, 11mil mexicans in US..work it out.
     
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  7. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    population of puerto rico = 3mil
    Mexicans in the USA = 11mil

    JMM(Mexican) vs PBF on Mexican Independance day.
    Length of time promoting the fight for JMM-PBF, 6months, Pac-Cotto 3months. PBF-JMM also spent much more in promotion.

    Sure hardcore fans knew it was mismatch, but the public being duped didnt...

    Having said that, Pac still draws 25% more at $54.95 per ppv vs Floyd-JMM at $49.95.
     
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  8. Vitor Belfort

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    Pac's last 3 PPV fight avg 1 million buy. Pac vs JMM was @ 130 where pac wasn't as big as he is today.

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  9. BizarroRJJ

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    This is unfortunately the truth. Just as we heard the phrase "if it doesnt fit, you must acquit". I think for this fight negotiation youre going to hear over and over " the numbers just dont lie". You can come up with a million different reasons as to why it should be 50-50 but in the end, "the numbers just dont lie".
     
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  10. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    numbers dont lie, Pac's last fight did better than Floyds last fight...anything you say thereafter is just excuses. There...we sorted?

    This fight will draw around 3mil IMO. Floyd will not draw anywhere near than without Pac...id imagine the biggest one would be Floyd-Shane which I think at this point would draw around 1.5mil. Same with Pac, Pac-Shane fight would probably draw around that too.

    For the record, Pac-JMM 3 if JMM never fought PBF and fought Pac instead would have easily done over a 1mil...both fighters are about 10times more popular now than when they last met...
     
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  11. fytelod

    fytelod Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You're absolutely correct.

    Those who want to see Floyd win = 100 people

    Those who want to see Floyd lose = 2,999,900 people

    Those who want to see Pacquiao lose = 100 people

    Those who want to see Pacquiao win = 2,999,900 people

    We got your point clearly.
     
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  12. Lights_Out

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    He fought oscar at 147, fought cotto at 145

    welterweight is 140+ to 147, so you're WRONG!! :D

    I agree, mosley should be #1
     
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  13. Irländsk

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    I'm one of the biggest Mayweather supporters on this site, but the guy needs to grow a set of balls.
     
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  14. thewoo

    thewoo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Niether guy will make anywhere near as much against anyone else as they would in this fight. They would both be stupid not to make the fight at 50/50.
     
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  15. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes Cotto-Pac was seen as more of an exciting match by the hardcore fans...but having said that, most people who buy PPV's in the big numbers over a million arent hardcore fans, its casual fans and patriotic guys. If hardcore fans made up big numbers, Cotto-Margo/Shane would have done 2mil. I can tell you now that Cotto had all the puerto ricans attention when he fought Pac, just as JMM did with the mexicans when he fought PBF...that said, 11mil mexicans in US, population of puerto rico = 3mil :deal

    I also noted that PBF-JMM spent a whole lot more money on the promotion of this fight...they also took their time with it. In PBF's own words, it takes 6months to build a ppv fight...hence why it was postponed in the first place.

    That said, Pac-Cotto still does 25% more, at $54.95 vs $49.95(pbf-jmm). That is a huge success!

    I always said the Hatton-Pac/Hatton-PBF is the closest comparison you will get. Again, Hatton was undefeated when he fought PBF. Someones '0' has got to go, it was surely a very marketable fight. PBF did beat Pac in that regard...but are you really gonna brag about 75k more? Considering Hatton's gone undefeated record...there really isnt much to separate from that.

    JMM-Casamayor didnt spend 13mil in promotions. It didnt have GBP constantly pumping the fights in our faces. It didnt have 24/7. It wasnt hyped up for 6months on end to set up for mexican independance day. It wasnt against an ELITE fighter. Ridiculous comparison. That is like saying Pac is not a draw as he only did 225k against David Diaz...Cotto is not worth 1mil alone...neither is Pac. It is when you get 2 BIG names that you get BIG numbers. ie JMM-PBF, Pac-Cotto, Pac-JMM(3), PBF-Cotto/Shane and the ultimate 1, Pac-PBF.

    The fact that Pac sold more, at a higher price in his fight, considering everything I already mentioned that PBF tried to pull off to make the numbers bigger...proves beyond doubt that Pac is just as big a draw as Mayweather.
     
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