If Floyd Mayweather is a cherry picker; Then why did he pick those cherries?

He wasnt in the division yet? He had 2 fights at Welter in 2008. and had been coming into the ring 147 since the Diaz.

He could have fought P-Dubb and others too.

Dont make excuses for one and not the other. Floyd's resume is just as good as Pac's if not better. Don't be bias, be honest

 

I get what you're saying completely.. The thing is though is Pac is seen by some to be better than Floyd.. Pac and virtually any ww would never be considered a cherry pick.. Almost everyone from 140-154 and maybe a few at 160 would be a cherry pick for Mayweather.. Mayweather imo is held to a standard which goes up when he gets close...

 

The main problem is that Floyd has never fought an A-level guy in terms of their in-ring condition and skill-level, nor a guy that might not be quite A-level but presents style-issues for him. DLH was the closest thing to that, and he was certainly A-level at his best, but he had faded to B-level when Floyd fought him. Floyd is an A+ level guy content to show his skills against B and C level competition. Won't even fight the current faded versions of Pacquiao and Martinez, nor style-problem fighters like Lara, nor a good but flawed GGG at a higher weight.

As to Floyd being held to a higher standard than Pacquiao, he's the P4P #1 fighter, has taken to wearing a hat saying "TBE", and has repeatedly said he's the best ever, yet he doesn't back it up with his level of competition like the greats such as SRL, Ali, etc. He wants the benefit of the doubt without having to prove it. Pacquiao does not go around saying he's the best ever, so he's not held to the same standard, yet his career competition level is generally regarded as higher than Floyd's. I think Floyd would beat the current Pacquiao fairly comfortably. That said, Floyd is not going to fight Pacquiao(or any other legitimate threats), unless they appear to be far gone enough to be no threat at all. He is a safety-first fighter, in and out of the ring.

 

^^^spot on.

 

Undefeated favourtie; Corrales - never beat one elite fighter in his life. if you consider castillo or casamayor elite, you are kidding yourself

Mexican legend - Chavez - name me one great fighter he beat

Why 'cherry pick' a guy he arguably lost to in Castillo the rematch - best wins are the bum Corrales who never beat a top level fighter and Casamayor.

Moving up to fight Gatti - exciting fighter but never beat ONE A class boxer

De La Hoya - shot well beyond his prime. 2-2 in his last 4 not factoring in that he got a gift decision against Sturm. Oscar is also famous for losing 99% of the big fights he ever fought in (or getting a gift decision like Sturm and Whitaker)

An undefeated Hatton - best win is Kosta Tzyu, a guy whose best accomplishment is KOing the average Zab Judah. Hatton never beat a great fighter. Padded record - not impressed

show me a fighter who is undefeated and ill show you someone who never fought anybody - Bimstein

A known cheat in Mosley who everyone begged him to fight for years after coming off his most impressive win against Margo - you mean after getting beat down by Winky and Vernon and by Cotto, and almost 40 by the time he got to Mayweather. How can you give him credit for beating a washed up senior citizen

Cotto - Another fighter everyone begged him to fight after coming off his personal career highlight win over Margo in the rematch - damaged goods from plaster fight and Pacquiao. the proof - Immediately lost to B-class Trout after Floyd

Canelo - An unproven yet dangerous fight who is naturally a weight class bigger than him - best accomplishment is barely squeaking past Trout. he is a solid fighter, but don't let the ppv hype and golden boy marketing let you think he's the next Chavez or Duran

not an impressive 46. nothing close to all time great. the only reason he beat X amount of so-called world champions is because any average fighter (Broner, Malignaggi, Bika, Quillin) in this era with 4 belts per class (not including minor belts) is called a world champion. 20 world champions wouldn't even have existed in the days when titles meant something

 

Since all his opponents are B or lower fighters, I want to know who the A level fighters are now.. Who are the A level fighters that he can fight that won't get criticized..

There are none...

 

people tend to overlook that Floyd tried fighting some of these guys in their primes (like dlh and shane).
and then he gets knocked for not willing to go up to 160. Dude doesn't even come in at 154 on fight night for his fights at the 154 limit. He's topped out. No one else in any division is being accused of ducking a fighter in a higher division than the one they fight in.

 

It's always an excuse when it comes to Floyd and why he wins. You Pac fans never saw Floyd fight. You saw the Corrales fights and Castillo fights, but you haven't seen his earlier fights and why they made him who he is today. You'll never understand this because half of you Pac fanatics are hanging out of Pac's ass waiting for the next lick.

 

All you have to do is fight who is in front of you . That's all Floyd did. Second, Pac's competition level is not higher than Floyd's, and never has been. Your post sounded genuine until your last sentence. Armchairs like you try to sound like a true fan, but you always give it away with subjective, flawed, ***** riding reasoning.

There is no version of Pac, Cotto or anyone that you think can beat Floyd. No you didn't say it I did. The fact that you mentioned Lara makes you post damn near comical.

 

I do agree Mayweatehr is every so slightly better than Pacquiao,

but prime Marquez not moving up 2 classes, Barrera and Morales shortly after their prime, Cotto before he reached Floyd, Tim Bradley is definitely more impressive than Floyd's opponents. Not enough to make Manny better considering his losses to Morales and Marquez, but definitely the better competition

 

Why does Floyd fight Hatton at 147 and Canelo at 152.

Because Hatton was A career Jr welterweight at 140 who had shown major difficulty fighting at 147 and Canelo was already weight drained at 154. Those pounds make a BIG difference and show how he manipulates fights against undefeated fighters.

Ask yourself why he didn't fight Paul Williams or Margarito? Stylistically bad for him and no weight to bargain with.

 

No...he doesn't. Mayweather is a ducker. Mayweather is a woosey. This is why Mayweather wets his pants and makes excuses when Pacquiao is mentioned.

On the other hand...Mayweather's fans are in love with his money and his bling - like a ***** falls in love with a pimp. So, every time Mayweather gets called out, his fans rush to him to suck him off and give him hand jobs so he feels better about himself.

Of course, his fans don't see it...but if they could get Floyd's Balls out of their mouths long enough to catch their breath, then they would see the truth.

 

I said Pac's competition was generally regarded as higher which is reflected in polls I've seen at multiple locations and ESPN. This is mostly because he has the wins over the Mexican trio at the lower weights, which are quite frankly, better wins than any of Floyd's, and since moving up in weight Pacquiao and Floyd's resumes have been similar, though Pacquiao has beaten the highest P4P guy in Bradley between the two. You can make a case for Floyd's resume. But the point is there shouldn't be a case to be made.

Pre-Margarito Cotto would be a toss-up against Floyd.
2008-2010 Pacquiao would be a toss-up against Floyd.
2009-2012 Martinez I would favor Martinez over Floyd.

There are unfortunately lots of other matchups over Floyd's career that would have been at least interesting which he's carefully avoided. Even now, he won't fight faded versions of some of the fighters in question, nor will he take a risk against someone like Lara or GGG. I'd favor Floyd against all of them but GGG, which is a toss-up, but I still want to see Floyd actually make those fights, not get magical fantasy credit for them as his fans like to give him. Instead, we're likely getting the Maidana rematch, Khan, and then finishing with probably Garcia. These aren't bums, don't get me wrong, but they aren't A-level guys, nor do they have the attributes to truly threaten Floyd.