If Floyd retires now he's in league with Marciano

Now you know why "Bill Gates still making them ****ing computers":deal

 

Marciano was not only undefeated, the guys he fought were never the same again. He destroyed them.

Additionally, for what it's worth, he was a true gentleman. A credit to the sport.

 

Dont you ****ing follow boxing then?,how is a man like rocky with a PRO RECORD OF 49-0 not undefeatd then?,come on all seeing brain of boxing,when,where did he lose,and how come no one else knows that Ah does the little white man **** you of then hehe,because he is still loved and holds the record ,just go and wank to a mayweather tape or something:good

 

Jesus. Marciano won the belt and defended it 6 times (most of the times against guys that were old..Walcott was past his prime, Charles was past his prime, Moore was arguably past his prime, Cockell was very fat). He retired early and was 49-0, in an era were most fighters fought 70-80 times. I can't imagine Rocky even achieving a 60-0. He was just a common champ that has been romaticized.

He had a lot of punching power and a good chin, yes.

And he was a gentleman, yes. But manners and education are not relevant in boxing.

 

I picked Fraud. . . and what exactly does that have to do with the point being made???

 

Well to start of with I am white myself, and I am huge Hatton fan, and have little time for Lil Floyd.

I presume you know once you turn pro, you cannot turn amateur again?

So thus Marciano turned pro in March 17 1947 beating Lee Eperson, he then loss to Coley Wallace....

And if you are even stricter and say an amateur should not recieve direct payment, then it can be argued Marciano lost another three fights...

 

Who was the finest boxer of 10,000 BC? If you cannot answer that then how the hell can we say for certain an Ali or Robinson much less a Moore is going to be remembered in 12,000 years let alone for the 5 billion years that our sun is probably going to be around for.

All time is a hell of a lot of time, and thus it is very unlikely a fighter will ever be an All-time Great.

 

I Guess Marciano was just lucky that he came along when he did. What many people fail to realize is rocky started boxing late in life. He had like 15 amatuer fights and the turned pro when he was 23-24 years old. To become champ from that compromised begining is one of the most amazing things about his legend.

Let's also use the current argument of the present day heavyweights from America not being any good because there is so much money in other sports, thus diluting American talent. Well, this was not the case when Rocky was around. So he was fighting the best guys in the business, many all time greats, in a non-diluted era, beat them all handily, with practically no amatuer experience, decided @ 32, without any real challengers left, that he would not dedicate himself to his craft @ the 100% needed to be great, so he decided to retire undefeated @ 49-0.

Perhaps more impressive than all this, especially for a champion boxer, is that he STAYED RETIRED!!!!!!

 

floyd is not in leauge with marciano the whole marciano thing was he did it as a HW and the HW champ thats what was so special about his record

 

Marciano took on all available including six atgs/hall of famers who were all bigger than him and on winning streaks.

 

UGH.atsch It was technically against the rules for Marciano to have a professional fight and then have more amateur fights (though not really uncommon or strictly enforced), but you're just being ridiculous if you think you can change the status of a fight from amateur to professional based on chronology. An amateur fight is a short three-rounder fought with different equipment and different rules without sanctioned pay and under a different commission from a professional fight. An amateur fight and a professional fight are two different animals. They don't mix.

If, right now, Wladimir Klitschko got really drunk, snuck into a Toughman competition and got whacked senseless by some local Joe Schmoe, would you think we should list it on his professional record and give the other guy the IBF heavyweight championship? OF COURSE NOT. An amateur fight is an amateur fight is an amateur fight.You realize, there are newspaper accounts from the '50s which list Marciano's professional and known amateur records in the same paper, with dates- it was a completely open fact that Marciano had had a professional fight and then gone back to the amateur ranks. NO ONE CARED, and certainly no one, not even Marciano's most stubborn detractors, tried to invent some kind of asinine loophole by which they could transform a Golden Gloves match into a professional fight. They knew it just plain wasn't true and that it would be stupid to argue otherwise.

An amateur fight is an amateur fight is an amateur fight. Marciano was undefeated as a professional fighter, as he never lost a professional fight. You're either intensely biased or just being a pointless stickler if you want to sit there and argue otherwise.

 

When your greatness is built on a supposed solid base of being unbeaten, it is going to hurt you if it is shown that you did lose after turning pro.

Marciano was not alone, many like you suggest did the same as The Brockton Blockbuster. But Henry Armstrong and co are not claiming greatness because they never lost a fight...