If Floyd runs he will lose in points, if he engage he will get KOed...

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  1. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Oscar stops Cotto at 154
     
  2. FORMIDABLE

    FORMIDABLE Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    4 KDs, should've been 5, and he visibly wobbled Marquez on another occasion late in the second fight.

    It's the power baby, that's what Mayweather's worried about. If an old predictable Mosley could get to Floyd with a big right hand, and Ortiz was able to land some right hand counters, can't you see how a faster, more dynamic and versatile fighter like Pac, who also has sleeping pills in his left hand, could also be able to do it?
     
  3. PBF24

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    No one says Manny won't land his shots. What i am saying is, Floyd would land more on him while in the process would limit Manny's punches landing better than JMM did because he wouldn't get knock down as much. If a slower, sloppier, and inaccurate puncher like Margarito landed 200+ punches on Manny, I can't see how Boxing's most accurate all-around Boxer won't be able to land as much on Manny while in the process of not getting hit as much as Margarito did. GTFO with Manny being a versatile fighter nonsense.
     
  4. Whipdatass

    Whipdatass Boxing Junkie banned

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    Pacquiao isn't 5'10 fighting at 154 lbs so that example is truly stupid! I think that Pacquiao fans want to forget about the Morales and Marquez fights and how boxers gave Pacquiao his biggest problems. They think that because Pacquiao hit tailor made guys like Cotto and Margarito that he'll hit Floyd like they because Hatton was able to get close. Pacquiao will land some punches, but he will be hit back too. Oh, Floyd can't punch so Pacquiao has all corners covered. ****ing A!
     
  5. hmi

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    There is a reason why Floyd won't fight Pac.
     
  6. Hitta_Squadup

    Hitta_Squadup Beast ***e Full Member

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    Who has he put to sleep with these generic sleeping pills besides Hatton...Pac has only 2 early round stoppages in his last 15 fights, morales and hatton, Pac stoppages comes from accumulation, which is attributed to his speed, truth of the matter is Pac is s very good fighter but his speed, workrate and footwork is what makes him good not so much his power, Manny is not technically sound at all, once his speed decreases along with his footwork he will be getting beat on and ko'ed like rjj, because Manny has no solid skill set to rely on, like the Mayweather's, Hopkins and toneys of the game....
     


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  8. FORMIDABLE

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    c/mon man, you can't question the power in his left hand. It's a potential fight ender. You also forgot it destroyed any fight Cotto and Mosley had in them. They got on their bike to survive after getting hit by it.

    And Pac is a physical phenomenon like the fighters of the decade before him, RJJ, Sugar Ray Leonard, no shame in that.

    And by not having solid skill like Hopkins, you mean Pacquiao does not bend the rules or cheat. That's how Hopkins remains competitive. Guys like Roberto Duran and Vitali Klitschko would be a better examples, they had truer boxing skill.
     
  9. Hitta_Squadup

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    I was going by your sleeping pill comment of course he has good power in his left but not tremendous power like a Felix Trinidad, Thomas Hearns or randall bailey, he doesn't have enough one punch ko's to support that, he mostly has tko's and just because Hopkins bends the rules and is a faker does not take away from his skills and i would not add Vitali to list because of his physical advantage I mean he's 6'8 jab, right hand at that height its easy to control distance, the ability to still be effective past your prime is the example I was giving...
     
  10. FORMIDABLE

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    Mayweather won't fight Pac like Margarito did, he can't.

    The Marquez and Morales fights are more comparable. Cotto fight early aswell.

    Those boxers had to box him going into the fire. Morales was able to pull it off in a fight Pac wasn't allowed to use Reyes.

    Marquez was able to outbox him for large parts but suffered the consequences in multiple knockdowns which cost him both fights.

    Cotto could not recover or adust after the knockdowns.

    The Mosley and Clottey fights are what happens when you fight a conservative fight against him not taking any risks.

    In any case, this fight needs to happen. None will be given a mythical victory over the other as Floyd and some of his fans think will be the case.
     
  11. FORMIDABLE

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    Utilising height and reach, and physical advantages are part of boxing. Lennox Lewis would not be the great fighter he was without it. Hearns would not be. Vitali is a great boxer, and that's why he is able to remain dominant into his forties. Michael Grant had similar phyiscal attributes in the same era and could not come close to doing what Vitali has done. Same as Zab Judah had great physical tools like Pac, but did not possess great boxing ability or ring IQ to utilise it to become an ATG.

    In any case, point taken, Pacquiao is a fighter who relies on freakish physical abilities and will likely not last long at the top once they start to fade. Doesn't make him any less of a boxer in his prime than the guys who can go on and be competitive past their prime. Pacquiao has used his ability to outbox everyone he's fought recently more thoroughly than Hopkins has been doing and as thoroughly as Hopkins was doing to his opponents in his prime.
     
  12. SouthpawJab

    SouthpawJab On his way up!! 4-0!! Full Member

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    You don't know **** about boxing.
     
  13. PBF24

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    I never said he would fight Manny like Margarito did. I simply said that if a slower puncher like Margarito could landed his punches consistently on Manny, then Floyd will land just as consistently without taking much punishment in return. I didn't specifically said that Floyd would use the same strategy that Margarito used because it would definitely backfire on him, he's too skilled enough that he won't have to use that strategy to land his punches accurately. I do agree with the other bold part though.
     
  14. rodney

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    He wins on his jab easily.
     
  15. boxinger

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    it would be really great to see Floyd throw his punches against Pac :) because this will just give Pac more opening to work on against Floyd

    you make Floyd sound so untouchable, but hes not

    check out this video, Pac knows how to slip punches when the other guy is throwing,

    that means he can counter Floyds punches when hes throwing them,

    watch 0:30 and 0:39, again he has done this in other fights, he knows TIMING,
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOesb-DfgCw[/ame]

    This shows that Pac will be able to TIME Floyds punches,

    Floyd hasnt fought anyone that can do that, only Pac can do that,

    All those defensive skills wont mean much once Pac is able to Time Floyds punches,

    Pac Knows Timing
    Pac Knows Speed
    Pac Knows Power

    lol

    take a look at this vid

    starting at 0:53,
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEJM6r91oRY[/ame]

    Floyd throws a lazy jab, he cant do that against Pac, because Pac will just time him and slip the straight left in an instant just like the first vid example,

    Ortiz was too slow, Pac is not slow, just take a look at the first vid on how fast he counters a jab.

    Look at Floyds head all open for Pacs straight left,

    You see?

    Once pac gets in there he will follow it up with a combo,

    See? it would be really great for Floyd to throw those "acurate" punches, LOL

    Those accurate punches wont mean much cause Pac can do this to Floyd

    Even Ortiz was almost able to do it, but he was slow, if you put Pac in there, it will be different