If Floyd's a ducker or avoider - so is Miguel Cotto

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  1. jlrivera81

    jlrivera81 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ok Fitz, based on that logic you are using, you are a hypocrit. You have said many times that Cotto needs to defeat more welters to earn a shot at Floyd.

    But using your logic, Cotto has cleaned out the division also, except for Floyd. Let's see Mosley, Cotto, Williams, and Margarito were at the top. How did it go down?

    Williams beats Margarito, Cotto beats Mosley, Williams loses to Quintana who got smashed by Cotto. No need to fight Kermit b/c he got smashed by Marg.

    See the point! Why does Cotto have to fight anyone else if he has cleaned the division with your logic.
     
  2. Relentless

    Relentless VIP Member banned

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    the sperm cells running down your fathers throat from the last time i came at him knows more about boxing than you will ever do!

    ask your father to throw up, maybe if you get a taste of my little relentless' you might actually get some boxing knowledge:good
     
  3. jecxbox

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  4. D_knowsboxing

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    jecxbox= still mad bret retired:lol: then was talking about unretiring to play for another team:rofl
     
  5. fitzgeraldz

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    Mosley never played a part in the divisions best ...

    Elite 4 in 06 were:
    Margarito
    PBF
    Baldomir
    Judah

    Cotto wasn't even at WW yet ... he hasn't cleaned out the division either. No one he's fought was a part of the WW elite when they fought.

    Cleaning the division is providing clarity ... there has been a legit WW champion going back to 2003. When Corey Spinks became the undisputed champion beat Ricardo Mayorga in their unification bout.

    Everyone else falls under the category of contender -- Cleaning out the division is just a way of having one top dog ... and as of 2006 it has been Floyd Mayweather.

    There's no way you can consider a guy who won a vacant against Carlos Quintana and defended it against 3 guys who haven't done **** is cleaning up the division.
    *Quintana just stepped on the scene hadn't accomplished anything at the time they fought
    *Mosley hadn't won a title since 03 and hadn't won a WW title since 00'
    *Zab Judah was coming off 2 L's and over 400 days of inactivity.
    *Oktay Urkal has never acheived anything on the WW stage.

    So thats not even close to cleaning up the division. If anything its fighting a bunch of fillers and building up a questionable resume.

    None of those guys were champions at the time they fought Cotto and for the exception of Quintana none have did anything after they fought Cotto.
     
  6. Relentless

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    yo wigger i'll pm you the pictures of my **** oiled up like you asked, would later on tight be ok with you?
     
  7. jlrivera81

    jlrivera81 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'm talking about elite in 06 though. those were the elite fighters when mayweather took over. i'm talking about the top fighters when cotto came in. at the time, it was floyd, zab, marg, quintana, clottey, williams, julio. shane wasnt fighting there at the time, but the instant he decided to fight at WW, people put him at the top behind floyd.
     
  8. fitzgeraldz

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    You criticize Mayweather for not fighting anyone when he's done just that ... fought the best at WW.

    You can't say that Cotto is automatically the best when he hasn't beat any of the best to get what he's got.

    To make this worse Judah and Mosley are fighting in a crossroads fight.

    Hatton 06' beat Luis Collazo for his WBA welterweight strap ... Collazo was the reigning champion. Hatton won UD and later vacated the belt ... that same belt that Cotto fought Quintana for.
    You criticize Mayweather for fight Hatton when in fact ... Hatton beat a WW champion for his title.

    Baldomir 06 fought Zab Judah for the undisputed WW title ... he couldn't afford all 3 sanctioning fees thus relenquishing 2 of the 3 titles. Baldomir beat Judah UD ... that was for the legit/universally recognized WW title.

    Then Zab already had a fight negotiated with PBF ... the IBF let Zab hold on to their belt and he put in on the line against PBF. PBF beat Zab UD for the IBF WW title ... he then vacated that belt giving Cintron and Saurez a shot for the vacant belt.

    Floyd fought Baldomir later on in 06 for the true WW title ... he beat Tata UD thus making him the true and legit WW champion.

    No matter the circumstances and what people thought of Baldomir - he was the WW champion and he did lose that title to PBF.

    Cotto has yet to beat a champion for his belt ... as far as i'm concerned I would put Cotto on the same level as Cintron. Both won vacant belts that rightfull belong to PBF and if it weren't for ridiculous sanctioning fees PBF would have all 3 straps.
     
  9. fitzgeraldz

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    Quintana wasn't an elite fighter ... he was an up and comer. The same goes for Julio who after he lost to Quintana move up in weight. Clottey was never considered elite because he was getting his first title shot at the time that Cotto was fighting for the vacant belt. Zab had just lost 2 consecutive fights by UD .... no one had Shane that high ... he hadn't did anything he was just fighting in a crossroads fight against Vargas -- both guys were rebounding from losses. :huh

    The WW picture when Cotto moved up was Baldomir (who just lost to Floyd), Margarito, Judah, and Mayweather.
     
  10. D_knowsboxing

    D_knowsboxing The King is back Full Member

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    :blood NO HOMO
     
  11. borimex69

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    one big difference! floyd picks who he fights! cotto fights who they tel him too. big difference buddy!
     
  12. fitzgeraldz

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    They're not going to tell Cotto to fight someone who they think can beat him ... they want him to remain undefeated for as long as possible.
     
  13. fitzgeraldz

    fitzgeraldz And the new Full Member

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    No man in their right mind talks like Relentless does unless he's gay or in the closet. There's only so many times you can joke like that before your considered gay.

    I don't get it either ... he must really like men ...:huh
     
  14. younghov2k4

    younghov2k4 R.I.P. Thunder, Viper Full Member

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    thats what i was thinking. i dont think he can no homo his way out of that gay ass **** though.
     
  15. Zaryu

    Zaryu Boxing Addict Full Member

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    man, dont let senseless hater get to u, I dont think Floyd critized as an avoider when he faced Mitchell, or Bruseles, people bring it now because they are mad Floyd is not fighting who they want, and for now, Cotto hasnt really had an opponent who fans have practically begged him to fight and he refuses. Besides, as we all know, Cotto is not the one who chooses who he fights, Floyd is.