If Frazier and Marciano switched eras...

Frazier was at his best was about 10lbs heavier until he let himself go in the 70's with his band his best weights were under 200 he and Yank Durham both say that he was under 200 for the superfight and that the promoter exaggerated his weight for the media....They were near clones in size and dimensions with both having heavy bigger legs and lean, trim upper bodies....watch the prime Frazier most of his fights in the 60's he was trim like a panther until he let himself go....Chuvalo at 215lbs made him look like a underdeveloped teenager...Marciano an Frazier were the same in strength I give Rocky the edge in power and Frazier the edge in speed

 

Seriously.where this idiot come from? kid. you are laughable.
Joe frazier weighed Between 205 and 209 pounds in his prime and rocky weighed 185. He was at least 20 pounds heavier. Get out of my view you clown

 

You see this is where you show your stupidity and lack of reading skills Yank Durham and Joe Frazier both said the listed weights people like you quote were lies and exaggerations by the promoters......it is clear and I thought obvious watching Frazier vs Bonavena and Chuvalo he clearly was not close to 200 and certainly not 210...... even the 200 lb Quarry was bigger....c'mon you have got to be kidding....how old are you? 12?.....now go fantasize about your big muscular boxers groping you with their robust muscles and thick necks

 

All that I know is that Frazier can't go 50 and 0 in 49 fights!

He can potentially end up at 48 and 1.

If he does better against some opponents, he probably does worse against others.

this is basically a no win proposition for him!

 

Apologies, then.

Carry on !

 

All we know is that frazier fought better rivals then rocky did.so yes, he would clean the house in the era of marciano and better

 

The better rivals that he fought, were the ones who had the better of him.

Sure, Ali and Foreman were better than anything that Marciano met.

Walcott Charles and Moore, were better than Quarry Ellis and Bonavena.

This competition basically turns on two things:

1. Does Frazier drop the 0 against Marciano's opponents.
2. Does Marciano get completely wiped out by Ali and Foreman, or does he perhaps manage two wins.

that is a very narrow competition!

 

I think the 70s are a bit overrated. If you look at actual fights between fighters of this era and fighters from supposedly worse eras the 70s heavyweights didn't do that well. Eddie Machen beat Quarry for example and an ancient Patterson beat a prime Bonavena.

 

Also Foreman's reputation seems to be heavily based on beating Frazier. He has a pretty thin resume after Frazier.

 

lhw archie moore at 40 years old no ****ing way he was better hw than a prime bonavena , a prime quarry and ellis.walcott was in his late 30s and charles was a lhw. I think that it is very debatable who were better rivals at hw. The point is that i think that Frazier would beat charles ,moore and walcott easier than rocky did but i can't see rocky beating ali not even once.and much less beating foreman

 

Wow you wrote the history again.. Since now you changed my opinion about foreman.
What an idiot

 

Just pointing out that Frazier can potentially go better in those 4 fights.

 

I think Foreman is Rocco biggest problem because i'm not positive Rocky can carry power against a big man with a competent posturing game. I'd favor Marciano though. George took Marciano's line of sight game and I can't say he improved or even emulated very well. Marciano may look obvious from the outside, but that's a perspective that can't lose line of sight and on the inside you most certainly can. Marciano mastered the phantom before Ali made it cool.

I'd say Walcott is Frazier's biggest issue thanks to his absolutely spectacular timing. Swarming is not how Marciano beat Joe Walcott and it's not how Frazier would either. That's very short sighted. Joe Walcott was beaten because Marciano recognized Walcott's bait and switch he named the Sucka Punch and timed him gorgeously in one of the single best displays of KO boxing in all of boxing history. Frazier is not going to walk Walcott down, he's not going to tire him out, and he's not going to hit too hard for Jersey to handle. What Frazier would have to do is something like what Rocky did. He has to make Jersey feel comfortable taking a serious risk to look good because Walcott was a vein fighter and liked to show off he's more than willing to take a serious risk in a very dangerous fight risking his life time achievement if he thinks he can look good and get away with it. It doesn't have to be the Sucka Punch, but given the head movement Joe uses to mask that punch if you know it's coming I think it'd but what Smokin' looks to smoke. I'm confident Frazier could pull it off too.

Marciano remains Marciano in all eras.

Frazier probably would have done just as well (49-0 maybe higher) in Marciano's era.

I think people get caught up in the 0 and forget Marciano has fans for other reasons. I don't think most fans even historical fans really appreciate what 925 ft-lbs means or how rare that sort of power actually is because you've no kinesiology background whatever. Most of the guys who ever fought in the three thousand years of history I cover would break their own bones if they hit like Marciano. He's an anomaly anatomically speaking. Huge thighs that rival even the biggest HW's thighs and a tiny fist about the size of a welter's, it's like he was made for damage. Like a friggen ball-peen hammer with a rocket behind it, you just know that leaves a dent. No matter what you think of the guy the facts of he threw a lot harder than a 9mm and his body could handle that through fifteen rounds. 49 fights before his body broke down on him is kind of ungodly itself. The registered power is just absurd. The beatings and punches he took were amazing. The pace he kept is legendary. The fight plan he employed is genius, and most importantly the blueprint he left is still in use by present champion Deontay Wilder and has consistently been used since he laid it down featuring such greats as Foreman and Tyson. He's got more fight of the years and fighter of the years than most for a reason and that wasn't the 0. The 0 is something that's really distant to me and as a Marciano fan I really only ever reference it to get under Marciano hater's skin. They're far more obsessed with his 0 than I. I'm obsessed with the power and constitution.

 

I don't really want to get involved in this but that was quite funny.

 

I don't see the relevance in Walcott and Moore's age. They were both on the best runs of their career and only a year prior Walcott had scored the best win of his career. Based on their results in the ring there was no evidence they were past it. Walcott would be a formidable opponent for Frazier.