If Frazier and Marciano switched eras...

pulev and peter were crap thuogh, trained for 6 round bouts.

we are talking fighting elites like walcott and moore.

 

Many on here would pick Marciano to beat Lyle in a war, but thinks he has no chance vs Foreman. Can you explain?

 

There are numerous examples especially in recent years of fighters performing extremely well in their late 30s. What signs of decline did Vitali show in 2008 and 2009? Wladimir's crushing kayo of Pulev was one of his best performances. Peter, Arreola, and Pulev where all highly ranked contenders and were decisively dispatched? Lennox Lewis looked good in the Rahman rematch at age 36.

Going into the Marciano fights Walcott and Moore had beaten many highly ranked younger fighters. Had the youngsters been able to beat these old guys no doubt Marciano would have fought them but they weren't able to.

 

Every fighter has their ups and downs. Nobody is at their best in every fight. If that were the case then Marciano would realistically have gone 49-0 with 48 knockouts, Charles 1 going the distance. Charles could give Frazier a very great fight and Walcott would be very awkward for Frazier. I see Frazier going undefeated too against everyone on Marciano's resume. How does he do it with how many knockouts? You're guess is as good as mine.

The only fighters that realistically have a chance at beating Marciano on Frazier's resume are Foreman and Ali. Marciano would stop Ali. In FOTC Ali's legs were bad. For that matter, I only think Ali from the 60s beats Marciano. He had the speed and boxing ability to do it. 70s Ali was way to stationary because of the layoff. Foreman poses a very good contest however who do you think takes the better punch Marciano or Frazier? imho Marciano. If you take a look at the footage from the first Foreman-Frazier fight, you can tell that Frazier's power had an effect on Foreman. It wasn't a walk in the park by any means like many like to portray with the metaphorical yo-yo. Marciano has more knockout power than Frazier and had the work rate to trouble Foreman.

Another point I would like to bring up is style. Marciano and Frazier are constantly drawn together stylistically and strategically. While they did both posses a strong, working, high workrate they were not the same fighter. It's really one major aspect that immediately jumps to mind that I'm referring to and that is the stance/defense. Frazier fought with is weight much more forward in order to load up the left hook. This put his head in a very risky position mainly for uppercuts. Frazier was almost always leaning forward with his head over his front knee and sometimes in front of his feet when he slipped under punches. Marciano never did that and instead kept his weight mainly on the back foot and leaned away from his opponent. I'm sure you know the reasoning behind this so I won't elaborate much more aside from commenting that Foreman's uppercut wouldn't be nearly as effective against Marciano as it was against Frazier. On top of that, Foreman was very wild in his fight against Frazier. Assuming he adopts the same strategy against Marciano then it would be a very opportune time for Marciano to land that sweet suzie q when Foreman drops his hands.

Like I said before, no fighter is at their best every time they step into the ring. Foreman poses problems for Marciano no doubt because it would have to be a slugfest.

 

Lol

 

Foreman vs marciano is the biggest one sided beating in the history of boxing.foreman handle marciano like a child and would move him like a rag doll

 

Lol

 

The observation should be made that Marciano was more consistent than Frazier.

Frazier only lost to other great fighters, but he did seem to lose his focus after he won the title, and that probably contributed to his demolition at the hands of Foreman.

That could be costly against some of Marciano's better opponents.

 

Foreman was always going to whoop him.

 

Foreman was better than Lyle.Better chin, better jab.

 

But Moore wasn't 175lbs when he fought those heavies and he took a better shot at the higher weight than Foster due to his physical make up.

 

Marciano has a good shot at improving on Frazier's record, as he was far more consistent. He may not beat Foreman, but he might sweep the declining Ali.

Frazier was less consistent, and seemed to lose his edge after winning undisputed World Champion recognition. He could drop fights to Walcott, Charles, or Moore. No way he goes 49-0.

 

Archie moore had a crappy chin

 

I like this assessment.

 

Its not a question if Frazier at his best could beat all of Marciano's opponents, but how he fairs on his off nights.

Do you really think Foreman is the only man that could beat the corner cutting Frazier that showed up that night? Foreman maybe the only one to pull that kind of demolition job, but Walcott, Charles, and Moore showing up hungry for the title could tough a win out.

Same goes for the uninspiring effort Frazier turned in for Ali 2. Or the strategically sound but poorly conditioned Frazier of Foreman 2. Very beatable.