If Frazier could beat Ali....why can't Tyson? Just sayn....

Actually it's really hard to decide which is the best version of Holy to choose in a H2H matchup. He's like Hopkins, what he lost physically as he aged and went through wars, he added to with guile and ring smarts. He perfectly handled Tyson when they did finally meet, but I wonder would he have the smarts to do that early in his career, and/or would Tyson have had then tools to get an edge.

 

I'm glad you agree it's hard to find Evanders peak. At least with Hopkins you cansay 'from the Tito fight' or 'from the Tarver fight'. With Holyfield I was most impressed with his heart and courage against Bowe in the first fight, but the Holy who fought Foreman reeled off some unbelievable combinations! Then, the Holy that did beat Tyson was able to outmuscle him, land a few in bursts and wearing Mike out with rough house tactics in close,before upping the ante with harder single shots, lacking the potency of the speed je had bit digging in with his laser-like accuracy.

Holyfield was a Duran fan I reckon.

 

I'd probably pick Holy from the first Bowe fight as well. He was well experienced, had grown into HW pretty well and still had his speed and stamina. He was never as physically able after those Bowe fights.

It's horrible to think now about the HW division in the 90s, ****ing great title fights all the time, the title being swapped from one great fighter to another. And what do we get now, 2 mildly interesting "champions" dancing around each other for 2 ****ing years making public statements nobody cares about.

Back to the topic though, I hate the way Frazier gets undercut these days. He was a fantastic HW in his own right, but he gets just seen now as a bit player, another side character in Ali/Foreman story. He doesn't stand a hope in H2H fights these days because of his size, even though he would destroy many of the modern HWs (IMHO)

 

Not many current HW's would last a round with Frazier.

A bloke I used to work for a couple of years ago once met Frazier about five years ago...... he was pretty pissed at the time but was sure that Frazier said that he could come back today and annihilate Ruiz and Valuev

 

That's deadly

 

Yeah, there are enough indications from throughout history that show men over 200lbs are as live a threat as any, regardless.

Frazier was also very, very gutsy, had one of the greatest left hooksof a time and was not only able to slip punches with his bobbing and weaving style, but able to close the gap efficiently, and mix offence tithe body-and-head in bone-crunching fashion. He'd tale Haye out inside a round.

I think very big punchers could get through to him, but only fighters of the highest calibre. Wlad is not that IMO, the preside would be too much and Frazier would chop him down to his size within five or six rounds IMO. He would hand Vitali one of the worst one-sided drubbings we would ever have seen IMO.

Joe Louis is one guy I would pick to decimate Frazier fast. Either that or it's an up-and-down 2/3 round war :yep but one I'd favour 'The Brown Bombers' more varied
offensive capabilities to prosper more often that not.

 

You very rarely hear people talk of Fraziers own, pretty impressive, title reign. Its like his career started with the first Ali fight and ended with the second Foreman one.

 

I'd like to see some of these cruisers try their luck at HW.

You've only got to look at how a goodish light heavy in Adamek moved up and beat most of the best cruisers, and now moved up again to about 210 and has five wins at heavyweight.

Alright, a couple of the opponents aren't great but all the wins have been pretty dominant...... all you need really these days is mobility and one of a decent chin or power and you're all but in the top 5 already.

I'd like to see Adamek vs Vitali..... Wlad will probably smack him around and stop him, but I'd be tempted to shove a 20 on Adamek stealing a decision.

 

Bonavena, Ellis, Foster, Quarry, Ali...Seriously impressive.

 

Cruiserweight is useless, more depth would mean more fights, and the Heavyweight division would be alive again, some of the bigger guys would not handle more frequent fighting and you might see smaller heavies prosper again (because they have beaten behemoths before kids :deal) and I also would bet on Adamek to outworl Vitali, Vitali isn't stopping him.

 

You've only got to look at the job an ancient Holyfield did on Valuev to know that..... alright it was pretty close (116-113ish to Evander) but you can't say that Steve Cunningham or Lebedev couldn't do that?

Huck has a eggy chin and crap stamina.... and as such would probably go over late.

If it has to stay drop it to 190 again.... ideally get rid.

 

We've done this one last year mate and you ended up agreeing with me.....

 

It's just surplus to requirements IMO. Adamek has shown that the bigger lumps are there to be disposed of. Haye that you don't necessarily have to be that good to beat them (that'll get you on side :rofl)

How did Hick-Lebedev go down anyway? I was certain Huck would get sparked! Was on holiday and come back to see it Huck won a decision.