If Froch Beats Johnson/Ward then Bute, does that make him greater than Calzaghe?

H2H Calzaghe pisses all over Froch.

Resume wise Froch will be better. But you always have to remember that Calzaghe beat a better Kessler than the Kessler wh beat Froch.

 

Yes, agreed...

... ok, this is going to be good...

:blood

That's all?

 

He faced plenty off good fighters, all be it spaced out over a long period of time.

are you telling me theres no chance Calzaghe would beat a prime Jones Jnr or James Toney?

and do i need to bring up a certain word called....steroids??

 

He eclipsed Calzaghe when he knocked Taylor out. The style of the victory and the context of it being against a very live opponent and overseas for his first title defence trumps anything on the Calzaghe CV. That takes balls.

If they were ever to fight though, Joe makes Froch look silly.

 

In my view yes it would. At the moment, Froch has some way to go in terms of resume. His best wins (Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell, Abraham) beat comparison to Calzaghe's (Hopkins, Eubank, Kessler, Lacy). However, that comparison took a hit when a 45 year old Hopkins went to Canada and looked unlucky not to beat a prime Pascal almost 3 years after the Calzaghe fight. You also have to consider that Froch lost to probably a worse Kessler than Calzaghe beat (I do allow that Froch was away whilst JC was at home in those fights).

You can argue based on those wins, however, it's Calzaghe's next tier that is the difference. Reid, Woodhall, Sheika, Brewer, Mitchell and Bika were all good top 10 fighters, most of whom had held a legit world title of some description. Froch's best win besides those mentioned is probably Brian Magee or Tony Dodson! That clearly gives Calzaghe the advantage. IMHO wins over Johnson and Ward would put them level and if Froch beat Bute as well he deserves top spot. However, a lot of people tend to overlook the above fights when having this debate and compare only their top wins. If you want to say Froc has beaten more top opponents consecutively and shown more desire to go out and get the big fights I'd agree. But as things stand, looking a their overall careers, Calzaghe has just beaten better guys for longer.

I don't think Froch will pull these three wins off (IMO he beats Johnson but loses to Ward). However, I hope he does. I wasn't a fan of Froch in the earlier days. Fighters who shoot their mouths off at much more accomplished guys without proving themselves tend to rub me up the wrong way. I also sincerely didn't think he'd ever get as far as he has when he was struggling with the likes of Charles Adamu. However, he has proved himself and made a fan of me in the process. Go Froch!

 

You would say that you sheep-shagger. :good

 

I just thought after a bold claim like he would beat somebody like Jones in his prime that you would offer something more substantial than "Joe was unstoppable".

Ya he did; Kessler, Reid, Mitchell, Lacy, (old) Eubank, but not really operators on the level of the other two lads so I don't know what that adds.

No I'm not saying that, there's always a chance. But surely when you say you "fancy Joe to beat anybody prime for prime" then you aren't saying that out of 100 fights he would win some.

I would fancy Toney to win more times than Joe, but I know a lot of posters would agree, which is grand. I would say Jones would win the vast majority.

You don't have to because it's not relevant. Toney was failed when he was fighting in HW, I'm not aware of anything related to their careers in the lower weights.

 

lets look at froch's last 5 fights

Jean Pascal, beats pascal in a toe to toe war (all crdit for winning this btw), pascal later becomes LH champion and draws contraversially to Hopkins

Jermain Taylor, Knocks out a spent taylor in the dyding seconds after himself loosing nearly every round.

Andre Dirrell, gets a hometown decision against him

Mikkel Kessler, looses to a poor version of kessler

Arthur Abraham, beats former MW king arthur abraham convincingly

Fair play to Froch for wanting to fight the best but no chance is he as good as Joe, I think people are getting to excited over resume's than actually how good a boxer he is

surely if you go just by Resume, beating Eubank, RJJ and Hopkins means more than anything on Froch's. (I know these guys werent at their best when joe fought them but just putting a point accross that resume doesnt tell the full story)

 

Depends how you measure greatness. His Resume will be better but I will always feel Joe would have won a wide UD over Froch (even though I love the guy [no homo]) so I find it hard to rank him greater.

 

what a dumb question

 

Froch did not lose every round against Taylor, that is exageration to the point of stupidity!!!

 

Did Taylor just become spent automatically, or was it Froch putting the pressure on him in the 2nd half of the fight that caused Taylor to gas?

I'd also love to know which rounds from the 7th/8th onward you gave to Taylor, because I couldn't give him anything.

The fight went exactly as expert commentators predicted, Taylor gets himself into a lead before losing the latter rounds - the only outcome anyone disagreed on was whether Froch would get him out of there in time or drop a close decision.

 

he was clearly loosing! Fair play he got the KO when he needed it!

 

Spent Career wise

 

He was one round down on two of the cards going into the last round!!!