Yep and forgeting the warped judging for a sec,if Bika could cause Ward so many probs then Ward also needs to worry about what Abraham brings to the ring considering he is a better but slightly similar to Bika
if ward had wins over pascal taylor (away from home) dirrell abrahams (away from home) and a debatable razor thin away from home defeat to kessler in copenhagen ward would be a definite top 10. it would be unthinkable for any american on esb not to have ward in the p4p top 10 for that resume :deal now if all froch had on his career resume was a disgraceful hometown headbutted win v kessler in nottingham, froch would not be ranked in the top 20 p4p rankings of any american on esb :nono this is the stinking reality and double standards of american boxing, its tv companys, ring comic, and american boxing fans :dead:dead:dead i've been educating esb about this ignorant, delusional, narrow minded double standard for a long time now. everytime another american hype job goes down, he gets replaced by another american hypejob, the process never ends.
No not 3rd. For arguments sake, of the fight happens next (which I no it won't due to Johnson and AA), Froch would still be behind PAC, May, Martinez and JMM. IMO Ward is just about in the top 10. Currently I have Froch rated in the top 15. If Froch was to beat Ward, he would be cemented in the top ten, but not as high as 3rd. I'd say maybe 5th would be fair.
He'd have an argument to go as high as #5, but not ahead of Pacquiao, Mayweather, Martinez or Marquez.
100% spot on! If ward had Froch's resume, the yanks on here would make him out to be te second coming of Jesus Christ. But because Froch isn't American and has a 'caveman' like style, he is looked down upon. Don't forget, many on here didn't give him a chance against Taylor or AA, and he went on to score a KO against 1 and dominated the other for 12 rounds. Let's see if Ward looks as impressive against AA as Froch did. Make no mistake, Ward is the best SMW. But Froch isn't far behind at all.
better resume, wins in multiple divisions. not complicated. and you shouldnt downplay Bradley and Donaire just cause their country says USA. surely your issue from the start
:blood Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell, Abraham, Johnson, Ward is better than Barrera, Morales, Cotto, De La Hoya, Hatton, Marquez, Solis? I dont think so, even if you think JMM won.
My issue is Froch, nothing else. It the reason he doesnt get his credit is due to him being a brit then that is not me being the idiot. and the fact you say bradley has a better resume than froch shows you have the bias not me.
Bradley is 4-0 against top 10 guys in his weight class and has unified titles (plus unofficially ruined Nate Campbell and beat a fringe top 10 guy one weight class up). Froch is 4-1 against top 10 guys in his weight class. Neither one has beaten another top 3 guy in the weight class. Froch fights in the slightly stronger weight class. I'm not saying one is necessarily better than the other (I still have Bradley a little higher, in part on the basis that I thought Froch actually lost to Dirrell), but it's narrow minded not to see that there's at least a legitimate debate here. I have no problem with people ranking Froch in their top 10 at this point (though I do think top 5 is still inexcusible). But is there really any cause to accost others because they don't, other than that you're intentionally trying to stir **** up?
i've proven my points, you've shown no data, but as i look over the other comments on this thread, it's clear that you're an idiot. no shame in you sharing an illogical opinion however. :good